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New cars will stop drivers from speeding under European laws

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Re: New cars will stop drivers from speeding under European laws

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Post by Ekaros »

post_break wrote: post #60
joebob42 wrote: post #49

I've been worried about something like this ever since maps first started showing the speed limit on the road I was on. It feels like an inevitability. For whatever reason this feels like an especially significant step on the path towards increasingly excessive control over individuals and it makes me very sad that it's finally happening.

Newer cars like my accord use a camera that looks for speed limit signs. What's funny is it's not perfect and sometimes will read a random sign and tell me the speed limit is like 100mph on a 35mph road.

Yeah, those systems have fun issues around elections here in Finland. Often there is advertisements around roads and our system works with each candidate having their own number. These are usually in nice circles with black text in white background for best visibility...

Re: New cars will stop drivers from speeding under European laws

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Post by Ekaros »

userbinator wrote: post #78

Not at all a subtle clue that the EU is rapidly speeding towards (pun very much intended) being a totalitarian socialist police state. On the other hand, one wonders how much support stuff like this will have in the US --- because at least it seems that we have the infamous Franklin quote and at least like to talk about our freedom a lot more...

It is not unique to EU. Just remember the Covid restrictions in USA in past years. Clearly fascist totalitarian policies. We are all heading to bad place and no one is fighting against it.

Re: New cars will stop drivers from speeding under European laws

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Post by redox99 »

stefan_ wrote: post #59

Every toy drone will refuse to fly into protected airspace. Theres no reason a car made in the past 10 years should be able to go 50 mph and beyond in a city.

But a toy drone is a toy. It isn't really super impactful if you can't fly it in a protected airspace.

A more meaningful comparison would be with an airplane (small Cessna, big airliner, whatever). Do you think these airplanes should automatically steer away from protected airspaces?

Re: New cars will stop drivers from speeding under European laws

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Post by redox99 »

woodruffw wrote: post #81
legostormtroopr wrote: post #55

This is not a bad idea - but speed limits have not changed to reflect changing cars. Speed limits are stuck at 100km in Australia and have been for decades - despite cars introducing anti-lock breaking, predictive breaking, anti-rollover technology, lane assist and so on. Cars are now much much safer, and yet speed limits outside of cities have not changed to reflect this. If the government wants to introduce speed l…

You mentioned it, but to clarify: cars are much safer for their occupants . As a pedestrian or cyclist, I'm pink mist whether the speeding car has lane assist or not.

He's talking about highway speeds. There shouldn't be pedestrians or cyclists there.

Re: New cars will stop drivers from speeding under European laws

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Post by hindsightbias »

noduerme wrote: post #22

I object to driving any car with a built-in GPS or an internet connection, on basic privacy grounds. It amazes me how many advocacy groups and organizations [edit: and bicycle fans right here on HN!] are willing to completely demolish essential rights like privacy and freedom of movement, in the name of preventing speeding accidents.

You surrendered when you put a seat belt on.

Re: New cars will stop drivers from speeding under European laws

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Post by doodlebugging »

threeseed wrote: post #80
doodlebugging wrote: post #77

After their introduction to the US markets I can see these vehicles in Texas having a near zero market share. There are far too many long stretches of open highway with very light traffic that can easily handle speeds several tens of miles per hour over the posted speed limits. Locals and long-haulers routinely speed down these stretches, slowing down for the towns and then speeding up again once you are through. Thi…

Of the 520 drivers, just five considered that they were worse than average – fewer than 1%. The rest – even the truly abysmal drivers who were constantly making errors – considered themselves to be at least as good as the next person, and many thought they were a lot better. It was, essentially, a mass delusion that rendered them completely blind to their own failings [1]. [1] https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/202…

Thanks for the reminder that most people overestimate their own skill levels and tend to think they are better than others than they are in reality.

If you disagree with my post because you disagreed with my position that an algorithm will not be able to out-perform a live driver who has been trained to observe real-time conditions so as to minimize the possibility that they will become part of someone else's malfunction on the highway then let's discuss that.

If you believe that these vehicles will be embraced by buyers in Texas or other places with long stretches of open highway where it is safe for drivers to drive faster than the posted speed limits then let's discuss that.

If you just think I'm some kind of coal-rolling redneck, F-650 with truck nuts driving dumbass because I mentioned Texas then you are wrong on everything except possibly the dumbass part and you should just admit your bias and work hard to avoid being so judgemental.

Re: New cars will stop drivers from speeding under European laws

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Post by mrmanner »

lvass wrote: post #9

So all cars will be susceptible to "phantom braking" due to a bug or worse? I really dislike this, and living in the third world I can already imagine fake road signs being used to decelerate and rob cars.

> So all cars will be susceptible to "phantom braking" due to a bug or worse?

No, there’s no requirement to connect the ISA system to the brakes or throttle

Re: New cars will stop drivers from speeding under European laws

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Post by WesolyKubeczek »

post_break wrote: post #63
jtonz wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A _vast_ majority of exceeding the speed limit is not done for valid reasons.

Come to Houston. You better be speeding on the highway or you're in danger. When everyone is speeding, and you're doing 60mph, you're a danger to yourself and everyone around you.

That’s one reason I’m avoiding your shithole of a country.

Re: New cars will stop drivers from speeding under European laws

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Post by mrmanner »

atoav wrote: post #128
behringer wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because I tell machines what to do. I don't take orders from a computer.

It is not an order. You tell it what to do and it responds with: "No". To the benefit of the rest of us who have to live with what you "tell" to machines.

It’s not even that it says “no”, in most cases it will be you tell it what to do and it does that while flashing a light on the dashboard to indicate that it may be illegal

Re: New cars will stop drivers from speeding under European laws

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Post by mrmanner »

theodorejb wrote: post #109
bathtub365 wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where do you see that in the article? It doesn’t mention anything about braking.

> When ISA detects the car is over the limit, it may induce visual and audible warnings, as well as haptic feedback through the steering wheel or throttle pedal, or it may begin accelerating the vehicle if no action is taken.

The article wasn’t very clear around this, but it’s not that every car must have automatic deceleration, it’s one way out of four car makers may implement this:

> The ISA regulation provides four options for systems feedback to the driver, from which car manufacturers will be free to choose from:

> • Cascaded acoustic warning

> • Cascaded vibrating warning

> • Haptic feedback through the acceleration pedal

> • Speed control function

https://road-safety-charter.ec.europa.eu/resources-knowledge...

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