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Mindfulness is focusing your attention on the present moment. Usually some object is used, most often the breath. It differs from non-meditation because normally we spend most of our time thinking about the future or the past, often with worry or regret. While we are focused on the future or the past we are living in our imaginations and not in reality.

The purpose of mindfulness meditation is to develop the habit of being present to what we are experiencing now. Like all habits, it is strengthened through practice. Of course, sometimes we must think about the future or the past, but this should be a conscious choice rather than an unconscious habit.

With time, our ability to be mindful gets stronger so that we can practice meditation without an object. In this sort of meditation we remain aware on whatever arises in our minds without trying to alter in by holding on or pushing away. The advantage is meditation without an object is less artificial and allows us to understand the mind as it naturally is instead of some contrived state. This meditation is sometimes called "doing nothing." This is both true and false, because normally we are always doing something with our minds. Simply observing is unusual. You might object that we are always aware of our minds. Yes, but there are degrees of awareness. Just as we always have some attention on the present, we are also always somewhat aware of our minds, but the degree of awareness can be less or more.

Re: Ask HN: What exactly is a mindfulness meditation?

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Good Question.

You seem to have read a lot but unfortunately they have left you confused. This is normal when studying any complex subject and hence the need for somebody to show you the correct path or teasing it yourself from your own studies. In today's world both are difficult because of all the scammers/charlatans/woo-woo peddlers and the sheer volume of noise available on this subject. Nevertheless there are some correct starting points which will show you The Path to Understanding.

The following three texts are recommended;

1) The Samkhya Karika : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samkhyakarika - This sets up a Worldview (i.e. a Model) with the main concepts of Purusha (The Experiencer) and Prakriti (The Experienced).

2) The Yoga Sutras of Patanjali : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoga_Sutras_of_Patanjali - Pay particular attention to the concepts Pratyahara, Dharana, Dhyana and Samadhi.

3) The Vijnana Bhairava Tantra : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vij%C3%B1%C4%81na_Bhairava_Tan... - This lists 112 different activities which leads to the state of "Meditative Dissolution". See also my other comment in this thread.

There is no magic here but "Meditation" is merely a practice which leads to a hard-to-define-without-experiencing Mental State.

The above are the "Traditional Viewpoints" from Hinduism/Buddhism. You should also look at the various Scientific Research published on this subject (Google gives me plenty).

Re: Ask HN: What exactly is a mindfulness meditation?

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Mindfulness is focusing your attention on the present moment. Usually some object is used, most often the breath. It differs from non-meditation because normally we spend most of our time thinking about the future or the past, often with worry or regret. While we are focused on the future or the past we are living in our imaginations and not in reality. The purpose of mindfulness meditation is to develop the habit of…

I always loved the 5-4-3-2-1 method. It's a good, clear system that helps people who are new to mindfullness exercises. You're absolutely right, doing this often makes it easier and easier.

https://www.mondaycampaigns.org/destress-monday/unwind-monda...

The one thing I'd add is, when you think of each thing, also think of characteristics of it. Otherwise it can be ok five things I see: mouse, keyboard, monitor, phone, can. But instead if can become: black mouse with a light blue light, keyboard with silver logo and bright red escape key, etc etc. It really helps you focus on your surroundings more directly.

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Your intuition that it's not that complicated is correct. For example, ""Breathing in long, he discerns, 'I am breathing in long'; or breathing out long, he discerns, 'I am breathing out long.' Or breathing in short, he discerns, 'I am breathing in short'; or breathing out short, he discerns, 'I am breathing out short.' " https://accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/mn/mn.010.than.html Do you do that already with every breat…

It’s hard for me to answer if you get it correctly. I don’t feel any third eyes.

But most of the time I am aware of what is going on, even if with some time lags.

How can one not be aware unless under drugs or something?

If you typing this comment - how can you not be aware of it and still type meaningful words?

Re: Ask HN: What exactly is a mindfulness meditation?

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You are mistaking focus for meditation. As in, to "meditate on something." Certainly, meditation training involves focusing on something, but that is not the goal. (See "barking at the finger"). The first goal is to use attention to notice why attention fails to stay focused. You realize you involuntarily experience thoughts arising and pulling you from what you are focusing on. Eventually, you become aware of the ce…

These whole stages thing looks too much like a sales funnel.

What if I don’t buy your descriptions and don’t accept this narrative?

Then who is to decide which stage I’m at?

Re: Ask HN: What exactly is a mindfulness meditation?

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A lot of it is scammy. Not all of it but alot. There are legitimate religious meditative practices that can be called "mindfulness meditation". The gist of it is it's a type of meditation where you sit quietly, listen to your own thoughts and being to realise that thoughts are just thoughts, they come and go, etc... It's about being mindful of your own psyche as opposed to being distracted by outside factors. Lots of…

Why need any ritual to accept simple fact that thoughts are just thoughts?

Re: Ask HN: What exactly is a mindfulness meditation?

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You are mistaking focus for meditation. As in, to "meditate on something." Certainly, meditation training involves focusing on something, but that is not the goal. (See "barking at the finger"). The first goal is to use attention to notice why attention fails to stay focused. You realize you involuntarily experience thoughts arising and pulling you from what you are focusing on. Eventually, you become aware of the ce…

These whole stages thing looks too much like a sales funnel. What if I don’t buy your descriptions and don’t accept this narrative? Then who is to decide which stage I’m at?

You decide, and you're free to do as you see fit, including adjusting the goals or stages to match your experience, that's just first-hand (and second-hand, from others) testimony that you requested. The wealth of literature on the topic is at your disposal.

My recommendations if you'd like to have a skim are Waking Up (Harris), Happiness Hypothesis (Haidt), both of which take a bird's eye view of the practices and try to position it with respect to both personal experience and medical establishment. Haidt is more scientific than Harris, but Harris is much more experienced.

Re: Ask HN: What exactly is a mindfulness meditation?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> talked about benefits of it Very terrible choice of words before this quotation, but the gist is clear and "correct". You should probably explore other traditions: you will probably be surprised to find substantially that pattern expressed in different, productive ways.

I have no complaints with the technique described in Satipatthana Sutta. Which other tradition do you suggest and why?

> I have no complaints

I meant that the profile you proposed just before the quotation, of this autonomous personality with judgement of the highest profile, is not just specific to one case in history but shown in a great number of accomplished leaders. If you find intriguing that approach you lauded, it could be rewarding to you to look into others - you will find similar profiles. There is company at the peak.

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