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Re: “The joy of sharing has been driven from me“

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Post by jjulius »

zac23or wrote: post #98
jjulius wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The positive-to-negative comment ratio in that thread is overwhelmingly in favor of positive. A couple of the top-voted posts are more critical, sure, but once you scroll past those it's full of support and inquisitiveness. Edit: Even the person who posted the top-ranked comment, with the more negative tone, ended their follow-up response with, "All of your feedback was well-thought-out and appreciated; I only hope t…

> A couple of the top-voted posts are more critical A lot of people have the same critical opinion, only they didn't comment.

If we're going to assume that people agree with the post, then we should also be assuming that people agreed with OP's general tone, which really doesn't read as negative criticism so much as constructive criticism. Again, OP's second post was basically, "Appreciate your response to my feedback, best of luck!". Heck, if we're looking at "people who agree based on upvotes alone" then "This is genius, because so many people have this problem," is the second highest-voted comment.

There's constructive criticism (the Dropbox thread) and unconstructive criticism (the Monkey Island thread).

Re: “The joy of sharing has been driven from me“

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Post by zac23or »

In my experience, people in general have little ability to judge anything. I went through some peer reviews and in one case some workers did not understand some terms on the questionnaire (such as "proactive"). Anyway, the most popular people get ten for being proactive. The internet only make this worse, because in the Internet everyone is "anonymous".

I ignore 99% of judgments, I only start listening if there is a "because" in the judgment: "It's not good, because"... of course, the "because" needs to make sense.

Re: “The joy of sharing has been driven from me“

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Post by belfalas »

munificent wrote: post #127
chomp wrote: post #14

Gamers are the most entitled consumer group I've ever seen. It's astounding. Someone wants to create something, and there's just so much hate and negativity on something that people didn't even pay for. I've seen it on HN also. Someone creates a thing, and then people pour out of the woodwork to lump horrible criticism. No one is asking for blind praise for what they create, but surely there's a middle ground between…

This is one of the main reasons I was happy to leave the game industry after eight years of doing it. Working incredibly hard to build a product served to a group of people that are often hurtful emotionally stunted man-children is just a deeply demoralizing experience. Obviously, many gamers aren't like that. But a fucking whole lot of them are, and they are extremely vocal, and it doesn't take many of them to suck…

> Imagine a bar where every time you walked in the door a half dozen dudes invariably turned around on their barstools and told you your clothes look like shit, your face is disgusting, you hair style is stupid, you smell like trash and, you should just fucking kill yourself now. How often would you want to go there?

Replace the word 'bar' with 'school' and this sounds like a write-up of my much of my pre-university experience.

Re: “The joy of sharing has been driven from me“

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Post by zac23or »

jjulius wrote: post #141
zac23or wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A couple of the top-voted posts are more critical A lot of people have the same critical opinion, only they didn't comment.

If we're going to assume that people agree with the post, then we should also be assuming that people agreed with OP's general tone, which really doesn't read as negative criticism so much as constructive criticism. Again, OP's second post was basically, "Appreciate your response to my feedback, best of luck!". Heck, if we're looking at "people who agree based on upvotes alone" then "This is genius, because so many p…

The tone here is controlled by the mods.

I don't see "hey, your job is super easy" as constructive criticism. I see this as an inability to judge your own knowledge and the efforts of others.

But, yes, the tone is super polite.

Re: “The joy of sharing has been driven from me“

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Post by manmal »

bombcar wrote: post #31
chomp wrote: post #14

Gamers are the most entitled consumer group I've ever seen. It's astounding. Someone wants to create something, and there's just so much hate and negativity on something that people didn't even pay for. I've seen it on HN also. Someone creates a thing, and then people pour out of the woodwork to lump horrible criticism. No one is asking for blind praise for what they create, but surely there's a middle ground between…

It's more than gamers as you notice, it's the whole 'self-reinforcing internet cycle' - if the first reaction is X, that will be amplified tremendously as everyone piles on to agree with X. This goes for both for and against, but against is usually easier. Famous examples include Dropbox (here), iPod (Slashdot), etc.

The Dropbox thread was not super negative, I just looked at it again.

If your product is useful, there will be positive feedback. Haters gonna hate, that’s always been the case.

Re: “The joy of sharing has been driven from me“

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Post by Osmose »

adamrezich wrote: post #94
Osmose wrote: post #46

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Just because bullying is common doesn't mean people should get used to it

what alternative course of action do you suggest instead? I don't understand why you think people should continue to be surprised by wholly predictable reactions contingent upon inherently flawed human behavior. hopefully your solution isn't simple moral posturing that Things Should Be Better, because that might feel good to say but as a solution it's pretty obviously untenable. regardless: either Ron Gilbert is, som…

You're confusing disgust with surprise. One can predict abuse and also not enjoy it and decide to close the comments down after you get too much of it.

Re: “The joy of sharing has been driven from me“

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Post by zac23or »

throwaway2048 wrote: post #138
zac23or wrote: post #38

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> Gamers are the most entitled consumer group I've ever seen True, but Some open source communities are good candidates for "most entitled consumers". > I've seen it on HN also I will ever remember the launch of Dropbox here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8863

What does dropbox have to do with "open source communities"

Some open source communities are worse than gamers in some cases.

Re: “The joy of sharing has been driven from me“

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Post by manmal »

TheRealDunkirk wrote: post #47
chomp wrote: post #14

Gamers are the most entitled consumer group I've ever seen. It's astounding. Someone wants to create something, and there's just so much hate and negativity on something that people didn't even pay for. I've seen it on HN also. Someone creates a thing, and then people pour out of the woodwork to lump horrible criticism. No one is asking for blind praise for what they create, but surely there's a middle ground between…

Counterpoint: I used to feel the same way about the entitlement. Then I stopped and thought about how many "hours worked" the average game costs for a person on minimum wage. While the minimum wage has risen dramatically in my area, to at least $12/hr, with games costing upwards of $80 now, that's still almost 2 full days, after taxes. It's easy to forget when people on this board are probably all making at least low…

Even more so for teenagers. They might save up for a whole month to be able to afford an AAA game.

Re: “The joy of sharing has been driven from me“

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Post by Osmose »

adamrezich wrote: post #132
frazbin wrote: post #105

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presumably the last time he made a game people weren't such huge dicks about it... no big deal but modern gamers cause a chilling effect in the industry by behaving this way, inevitably. Creative professionals /don't/ have to get used to being punching bags.. they're exactly the type to take their toys and go home. That's what happens when you do something for love (and take a pay cut to do it). The hateful gamers wi…

the current top comment in this comments section is also decrying the Entitled, Toxic Gamers that are the cause of all that is Bad and Wrong in the world of video games today—have you ever noticed how convenient of a recurring boogeyman this is? "gamers are the worst , they suck and are terrible. no, not you , of course—you're not a gamer , you're a Cultured Video Game Enjoyer, just like me, the writer of this Kotaku…

I dunno why you think demanding that people can't feel hurt on the internet is any less overbearing than condemning people who are mean on the internet.

Re: “The joy of sharing has been driven from me“

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Post by manmal »

WorldMaker wrote: post #131
TheRealDunkirk wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Counterpoint: I used to feel the same way about the entitlement. Then I stopped and thought about how many "hours worked" the average game costs for a person on minimum wage. While the minimum wage has risen dramatically in my area, to at least $12/hr, with games costing upwards of $80 now, that's still almost 2 full days, after taxes. It's easy to forget when people on this board are probably all making at least low…

That same economic analysis plays unfavorably the other direction: games right now are among the cheapest $/entertainment-hour value of any "modern" entertainment industry right now. Even if you only got 60 hours out of that $80 game, which is still the "entitled minimum" in many gamers' minds, that still $1.33 per entertainment-hour. You aren't going to find that at the movie theaters or on Blu-Ray. Maybe you can fi…

Many games for $80 only provide 6-10h of genuine entertainment. Playing them through multiple times often gets old quickly.
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