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Microsoft Purview: Additional classifiers for Communication Compliance (preview)

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Re: Microsoft Purview: Additional classifiers for Communication Compliance (preview)

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Not really. Office suites were a mistake. Return to text editor.

Imagine a world with something markdown-like instead of Word...

I do not have to imagine such a world since LaTeX exists already in exactly the space you're describing.

Re: Microsoft Purview: Additional classifiers for Communication Compliance (preview)

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post #95

There is no way they will be able to make an AI at this point that will A) Be accurate B) Work across multiple contexts C) Run efficiently on billions of messages This will just result in many false positives, and unnecessary eavesdropping on employees personal conversations. Once its revealed an organization is using this, people will quickly move all conversations to another platform, even if policy forbids that. R…

accuracy isn't a strict requirement though if you accidentally fire 10% of good people you still have 90% of them left, and if that lets you fire 80% of the staff that are committing thought-crime it's probably a win.

Even if it works out as you say, the chilling effect on who's left will be very real.

Re: Microsoft Purview: Additional classifiers for Communication Compliance (preview)

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> Why do people assume that you have to think you'll be a billionaire to be against something that would affect billionaires negatively? Because there is a group who struggles to reconcile what looks like a contradiction - another group who appears to advocate for policies which harm themselves. The quote and its derivatives attempt to explain this apparent contradiction.

I think it’s pretty paternalistic to think that you’re a better judge of what is good or bad for someone than that person themselves. There are plenty of people who are anti union because they’ve rationally concluded they would be worse off.

I'm genuinely curious to read what your edit would have been so that it didn't appear that I was putting myself into one of these groups.

Re: Microsoft Purview: Additional classifiers for Communication Compliance (preview)

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post #131

Submitted title was "Office 365 implementing AI to detect employees colluding, leaving and more". That broke the site guidelines: " Please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait; don't editorialize. " - https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html The proper place to include that sort of interpretation is by adding it in a comment in the thread. Then your interpretation is on a level playing…

I know it's policy to use original titles, but the editorialization in this case hardly seems sensational. Just look at the linked roadmap tickets:

* https://www.microsoft.com/en-my/microsoft-365/roadmap?filter...

* https://www.microsoft.com/en-my/microsoft-365/roadmap?filter...

* https://www.microsoft.com/en-my/microsoft-365/roadmap?filter...

* https://www.microsoft.com/en-my/microsoft-365/roadmap?filter...

* https://www.microsoft.com/en-my/microsoft-365/roadmap?filter...

* https://www.microsoft.com/en-my/microsoft-365/roadmap?filter...

* https://www.microsoft.com/en-my/microsoft-365/roadmap?filter...

The title "Microsoft Purview: Additional classifiers for Communication Compliance (preview)" sounds like nothing at all. It doesn't seem like exaggerating to say that the reality is literally Big Brother in a corporate context. Seems like your changing the title is just going to have the effect of reducing attention given to something that really needs to be exposed in clear terms.

Re: Microsoft Purview: Additional classifiers for Communication Compliance (preview)

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post #67

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>The only way this sort of thing changes is with labor organization ie unionization. >The government won’t save you from efforts like this. The government represents the interests of the capital owning class. You realize that the power/existence of "labor organization ie unionization" is dependent on the government? Without government protection labor unions don't stand a chance.

You realize that historically labor unions predated government laws about labor unions, right?

Sure, before labor unions existed, there were no laws about labor unions - why would there be?

But there were laws allowing freedom of association, so something like unions were default allowed, in the absence of any other laws.

Re: Microsoft Purview: Additional classifiers for Communication Compliance (preview)

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hmm I think I have a new reason not to use any Microsoft products in the office. I can even claim an ethics issue with interacting with them now. Unfortunately the existence of this feature breaks trust that my management hasn't abused it, the only way to avoid this is by not engaging with Microsoft offerings such as word or excel in the office.

Re: Microsoft Purview: Additional classifiers for Communication Compliance (preview)

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post #131

Submitted title was "Office 365 implementing AI to detect employees colluding, leaving and more". That broke the site guidelines: " Please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait; don't editorialize. " - https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html The proper place to include that sort of interpretation is by adding it in a comment in the thread. Then your interpretation is on a level playing…

Thanks for the clarification about this sort of catch 22. I had been wondering about this exact scenario that seems to happen fairly regularly.

Re: Microsoft Purview: Additional classifiers for Communication Compliance (preview)

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post #67
post #32

The only way this sort of thing changes is with labor organization ie unionization. The government won’t save you from efforts like this. The government represents the interests of the capital owning class. The demonization of unions is one of the most successful cases of propaganda in the last century. It’s gone so far s people who will die on the hill of Jeff Bezos paying slightly more taxes because everyone seems…

>The only way this sort of thing changes is with labor organization ie unionization. >The government won’t save you from efforts like this. The government represents the interests of the capital owning class. You realize that the power/existence of "labor organization ie unionization" is dependent on the government? Without government protection labor unions don't stand a chance.

In the same way that a completely controlling government and political system could stop literally anything, yes. The basis of collective bargaining does not inherently depend on government support and the proof is in it predating government support. It depends on governments not penning anti-unionisation legislation. There’s no need to be so snarky.

Re: Microsoft Purview: Additional classifiers for Communication Compliance (preview)

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post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine a world with something markdown-like instead of Word...

I do not have to imagine such a world since LaTeX exists already in exactly the space you're describing.

I said a world, not a small subset of the world.
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