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The Life of a Backpacker in Asia in the 1970s (2018)

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Re: The Life of a Backpacker in Asia in the 1970s (2018)

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My parents were both travelers of this period. I sent them the article. Parent one: This is just the time I was in Indonesia. End of 1971. No guidebooks. No english spoken. A different time. A wonderful time to be travelling. It's so true about the expense of developing pics. Which continued after we had children. Parent two: Great article. I remember those dorms in India and the 6 weeks I spent in Nepal where you wa…

I went to Tulum, Mexico, early 2000's still a backpacker paradise. There were a few cabs in town, but you needed to walk a lot.

One internet cafe in town with decent connectivity, but great coffee!

Went back in 2015 and it was completely changed - eco-lodges, new age tourism, bix box stores, lots of resorts like Playa Del Carmen.

Looked more like Ibiza.

Re: The Life of a Backpacker in Asia in the 1970s (2018)

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Just do it. Being in Mongolia is easy. Ulaanbaatar is ugly but nevertheless interesting. There is much to learn. I liked the big market with its yurt parts section very much. The Altai is very far away from Ulaanbaatar. Very far. It is a 1.400 km tour mostly on sand tracks. I would use a car and plan a week for just the trip from Ulaanbaatar to the mountains. But only if you hurry and don't want to stop and have a lo…

I think I was looking at a small small flight that went from Ulaanbataar most of the way toward the Altai. I forget where. Anywhere else nature wise you would recommend going?

The nature is open, wide, and great verywhere in Mongolia except Ulaanbaatar. If you like the open steppe.

Remember that you need a vehicle or a horse to get somewhere. There are domestic flights. But when you leave the airfield you need something to transport you into the mountains.

If I would fly to Mongolia, I would buy a small Chinese motorcycle there (200ccm, you get a new one for 1k$).

If you are a horse rider then Mongolia would be your paradise. In this case I would be a horse.

But I am sure you can find a guide who drives you with his car whereever you want.

Re: The Life of a Backpacker in Asia in the 1970s (2018)

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I never want to travel for a job ever again if I can avoid it, and it seems that the world has changed enough that's an option (fingers crossed). I spent most of my early career traveling all over the place. Meetings in 3 cities in 2 countries in a day? No worries. Got to be 8 time zones away for lunch tomorrow? My carryon is already packed. I got to see great things; always found a way to eek out a little time here…

Your pace sounds exhausting, that stinks. The big lesson I learned was if the engagement was on a Monday morning, and I had to fly Sunday, that needs to be reflected in compensation somehow. I was forcefully adamant that I flew during the week only without structured and logged PTO compensation. The other company I worked for had no issues with me booking longer stays past the engagement as long as I covered expenses…

I guess I didn't explain well enough. I got/get paid (well) for everything I did work related. Leave Sunday for Monday meetings? Client paid from the time I left my house. Travel outside work hours during week (the redeye)? Client paid. Work crazy hours because something went nonlinear on-site? Client paid, alot. Never work for free.

But that always means my personal plans are secondary to the work requirements.

Those 'bookend' weekends I took when I could so I could actually see things? Obviously on my dime, though every company I've worked with was good enough to let me book the hotel/plane tix at the company rate (my regular place in the middle of Dublin is something like 300 Euros a night normally but I think 120 at corporate rate). Good times!

But really that 1-2 days you eek out of opportunity and corporate kindness is nice enough to get a taste of things (and recommended)...but not really enough to get what I'm looking for any more out of distant, otherwise very unpleasant travel, especially crammed into the margins of a business trip.

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>In every culture the native costume is the first thing to go, native architecture is next. Food is one of the last to go, even in modern places where people are wearing blue jeans. So these days I like to go to places where there is still native costume and native architecture. Unfortunately these areas are shrinking. I'm not nostalgic about it; I understand the reasons behind the changes, and it's a net improvement…

So, in which places today do people still wear their native costume in preference to western clothes such as shirts and jeans? I can think of: Gulf countries (Saudi Arabia, UAE), Bhutan, Saharan Africa. India/South Asia partially but more so for women.

I've seen most men in Myanmar were still wearing longyies (sarongs) at least up to ~6 years ago.

Re: The Life of a Backpacker in Asia in the 1970s (2018)

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One of the biggest changes is that even in the 1990s in many places, you'd have minimal or no contact with anyone back home and probably even reasonably cut off from news. When I went on a few ~month long trips to Nepal around that time, you were just starting to see some terminals for email here and there towards the end of the decade. But you were pretty much cut off from most communications.

Yes, I wrote a letter to my mom and faxed it to her in the late 90s. Cheaper than a long conversation per minute.

Re: The Life of a Backpacker in Asia in the 1970s (2018)

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A lot of this stuff is so much more recent than people realize. I went to Southeast Asia in 2010: Cambodia, Vietnam, Laos, Thailand. One of my stops was the famous "Lunch Lady" from Anthony Bourdain's No Reservations [0] There was no Uber, I had no data. I had printout of a map, but just look at the kind of map I had to go on in that URL from 2008. There were slightly better directions from Vietnamese-only websites.…

>There was no Uber, I had no data. I went off to grad school as DADT was in effect, then Uber came into my college town, and I could see how things changed rapidly, in many ways, and not all of them good. It's great people can get safe, cheap rides without DUIing all over the place, but it's at it's heart a jitney service propped up with Saudi money. >Ubiquitous mobile access and data is what's really flattened most…

> I really enjoyed AB's show, but I worry people take the wrong thing from it -- they engage in low key herofication[1] of the specific cook or restaurant, rather than learn the names of a few dishes to try at a cafe where they might not give a damn if some American has a good experience or even comes back.

You didn't address me directly, but in case you did, that's an uncharitable interpretation of my story. If you weren't, you're probably right - I worry about the same. People just watching the show and only going to the places he did, and not doing any of their own cultural exploration.

For the record, I spent 2 weeks in Vietnam, and I spent most of that time just wandering the streets of Saigon and Hanoi, following my nose, seeing a delicious bowl of soup, and pulling up a chair, or coming up to a nighttime Banh Mi vendor, and pointing and grunting at the fillings I wanted.

In amongst that, I also did some research of specific places I wanted to visit, and The Lunch Lady was on the list. Even if she wasn't exceptional (even for a place as steeped in culinary quality as Vietnam), which she was, there is something to be said for a parasocial connection with someone's experience. Mild heroification is still meaningful emotionally. Whether he would be upset by this or not, I got to sit in the same chair as Bourdain and have the same experience as someone who I admired and who's thought process resonated with me. That meant something to me. That feeling was real, and my memory of the spot is richer and more vivid because of that connection.

Anything can be taken too far. I admire Elon Musk's bold strategic vision in rockets and electric cars, but I have no interest in blanketly giving my life to defend his horrible ideas on cave submarines, car-sized city tunnels, flamethrowers, or twitter moderation policy. Unlike seemingly a million of his followers who would also just as blindly defend him from credible sexual harassment allegations.

Re: The Life of a Backpacker in Asia in the 1970s (2018)

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There are parts of New Jersey 11 miles from the closest bit of New England. I'd be inclined to treat that as close enough.

From the names it seems reasonable to me that "New York" and "New Jersey" should be parts of "New England." As a Californian, I thought of all of the NE as New England and am surprised that they aren't. Wikipedia says the "Dominion of New England in America" in the 1600s did include New York and New Jersey.

    From the names it seems reasonable to me that "New York" and "New Jersey" should be parts of "New England
I get what you're saying, but they really really are not.

Re: The Life of a Backpacker in Asia in the 1970s (2018)

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Growing up in the 1960s in New Jersey was very parochial [...] I knew nothing about Asia, or even travelling; I had never even been out of New England. I realize I'm nitpicking here with regards to a very enjoyable and wonderful article but... what? New Jersey is not in New England. Same quadrant of the country. But that's bizarro.

There are parts of New Jersey 11 miles from the closest bit of New England. I'd be inclined to treat that as close enough.

Literally nobody that lives in either region would agree with this. They really wouldn't.
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