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Re: Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard

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Post by runamok »

arinlen wrote: post #53
bayindirh wrote: post #21

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> I don't get who this product is for, other than maybe someone who has heard mechanical keyboards are cool but is daunted by doing any research into what mechanical keyboard options exist out there. Me, or anybody who needs a no-fuss, one-shot, buy-and-use-it-till-it-dies type of consumer. I don't care about changing switches. I don't care about DIY. While I'm perfectly capable, I don't want to spend time on that. I…

> Me, or anybody who needs a no-fuss, one-shot, buy-and-use-it-till-it-dies type of consumer. You can get a cheaper no-fuss mechanical keyboard from reputable brands with respectable components for far less than this logitech keyboard is being sold. From the top of my mind, Akko keyboards are quite nice, and most of their products sell for $50 less. You'd need to be completely, utterly clueless to go to Logitech for…

I like this one that seems similar to the logitech "mini" one. https://www.keychron.com/products/keychron-k3-wireless-mecha...

It's low profile, has replaceable switches, can use a cable or bluetooth, is a fair price and has worked really well.

Re: Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard

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Post by zemo »

ubertaco wrote: post #16

This looks like a non-hotswappable board with proprietary switches, and it's still tied to Logitech's wireless dongles (which are notoriously bad about both causing and being super-sensitive to 2.4Ghz-spectrum interference). I mean, I _think_ the switches are proprietary -- the page has no real information about the switches at all, which is a bit like selling a computer by showing you a picture of the case and telli…

> someone who has heard mechanical keyboards are cool but is daunted by doing any research into what mechanical keyboard options exist out there.

honestly I was into mechanical keyboards for a while, I put together a few kits, I bought into group buys on individual hand-crafted keys, group buys on keysets, and bought a HHKB to try topre switches. After a while I just stopped, because the scene is incredibly disorganized and constantly shifting (e.g., I was into mechanical keyboards for a year or two and /r/budgetkeebs didn't even exist, but lots of my friends still know me as the keyboard enthusiast guy so they always ask me where to get a keyboard). The barrier to entry is very substantial. There are a lot of people who would like a nicer keyboard who don't want to have to deal with that nonsense.

Take that whole concept, and now think about webcams. People have money to burn and spent a lot of time on video chat because of Covid. How many people sat around and did hours and hours of research to buy the perfect webcam? How many people heard the Logitech 1080p webcam (the C920x I think?) was pretty good, bought it, plugged it in, had a good product and literally never thought about it again? I'm willing to bet that second group is easily ten times as large as the first group. And alllllllll those people see "Logitech" and all they think is "it's a peripheral that will probably work well that I don't have to think about". That's an enormous market.

anyway I can't figure out if the MX means the switches have Cherry MX stems or not, which is annoying. Not something I would buy, but definitely a frustratingly underserved market segment.

Re: Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard

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Post by innocenat »

thefz wrote: post #101
bbarn wrote: post #33

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The fact that it IS a dongle is the major disadvantage. Most laptops have only one or two USB-B slots and many are moving towards USB-C for everything. Most also have very functional bluetooth built in. It's just not worth a minor improvement in connection quality (which is debatable, reading these comments) to lose the only slot I have in a laptop. I have to unplug my external keyboard in order to use my headset if…

> Most laptops have only one or two USB-B slots and many are moving towards USB-C Eh, don't buy those models then. Send the market a message.

Having more than 2 USB-A at this point is weird though, as things are moving toward USB-C.

Ideally I would want 4 USB-A and 4 USB-C but I am not delusional enough.

Re: Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard

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Post by bayindirh »

devit wrote: post #126
bayindirh wrote: post #21

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> I don't get who this product is for, other than maybe someone who has heard mechanical keyboards are cool but is daunted by doing any research into what mechanical keyboard options exist out there. Me, or anybody who needs a no-fuss, one-shot, buy-and-use-it-till-it-dies type of consumer. I don't care about changing switches. I don't care about DIY. While I'm perfectly capable, I don't want to spend time on that. I…

Why would you buy a wireless keyboard for "daily work" which needs to be "no-fuss"? You are putting your security at risk (who knows whether the encryption is secure or whether the Logitech drivers are backdoored), as well as your convenience since you'll need to charge it periodically and there's a good chance you'll forget it (or forgot to buy disposable batteries if that's what it uses) and be completely unable to…

Simple. To keep my desk clean.

First of all, my threat vector doesn't contain wireless attacks, and we'd have more serious problems if we come to that.

Also, that thing can work probably while being charged, so no fuss. Otherwise, it can charge for a full day's worth of work in 15 minutes, which is just a coffee break. I know it's no advertisement since Sony is doing the same thing on many things for 10 years now?

The devices which are using disposable batteries last for 2-3 years in average, and warn well before they're going to run out of energy. So again, no unexpected power losses in that case.

Wireless keyboards neither have latency or interference issues at least for a decade for the type of work I'm doing. We're not selecting frequencies with DIP switches anymore.

Re: Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard

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Post by eterevsky »

devit wrote: post #126
bayindirh wrote: post #21

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> I don't get who this product is for, other than maybe someone who has heard mechanical keyboards are cool but is daunted by doing any research into what mechanical keyboard options exist out there. Me, or anybody who needs a no-fuss, one-shot, buy-and-use-it-till-it-dies type of consumer. I don't care about changing switches. I don't care about DIY. While I'm perfectly capable, I don't want to spend time on that. I…

Why would you buy a wireless keyboard for "daily work" which needs to be "no-fuss"? You are putting your security at risk (who knows whether the encryption is secure or whether the Logitech drivers are backdoored), as well as your convenience since you'll need to charge it periodically and there's a good chance you'll forget it (or forgot to buy disposable batteries if that's what it uses) and be completely unable to…

Having one less cable on your desk is neat. I used wireless keyboard for a while (and still use one with the computer that is connected to my TV).

I ended up moving back to wired keyboard though mostly because the wireless one tended to go to sleep and take half a second to a second reconnecting when woken.

Re: Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard

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Post by whitey0101 »

matwood wrote: post #125
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #121

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This is the one that I've been using for quite some time: https://www.keychron.com/products/keychron-k6-wireless-mecha... I'm not a keyboard geek (I don't touch-type, for one thing), and feel you, for the "one-stop shop" thing. I do have a couple of old Logitech keyboards, collecting dust in a bin, upstairs.

I also have a Keychron and it has been a one stop, buy and use until it dies kind of thing for me.

I had 3 keychron keyboards, each lasted less than a year before the switches failed, reverted back to a logitech K780 from 5+ years ago and it works a champ.

Also Keychron had some obscure usb cable requirement, that they could never convey over support emails. You would think that any usbc usbc cable would work for a keyboard, but not the few I had laying around that were longer than the provided one

Just my two cents, I wouldn't buy another Keychron

Re: Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard

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Post by jwozn »

matwood wrote: post #125
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #121

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This is the one that I've been using for quite some time: https://www.keychron.com/products/keychron-k6-wireless-mecha... I'm not a keyboard geek (I don't touch-type, for one thing), and feel you, for the "one-stop shop" thing. I do have a couple of old Logitech keyboards, collecting dust in a bin, upstairs.

I also have a Keychron and it has been a one stop, buy and use until it dies kind of thing for me.

How long does it typically last until it does? What model do you have?

Re: Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard

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Post by _ph_ »

darau1 wrote: post #136
_ph_ wrote: post #112

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That looks like my dream keyboard - except it isn't available with an ISO layout :(

What you're looking for is almost definitely deeper down the rabbit hole[1]. The problem will be getting it. [1]: https://github.com/diimdeep/awesome-split-keyboards

Which one are you referring to?

Re: Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard

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Post by [deleted] »

ubertaco wrote: post #16

This looks like a non-hotswappable board with proprietary switches, and it's still tied to Logitech's wireless dongles (which are notoriously bad about both causing and being super-sensitive to 2.4Ghz-spectrum interference). I mean, I _think_ the switches are proprietary -- the page has no real information about the switches at all, which is a bit like selling a computer by showing you a picture of the case and telli…

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