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Firefox appears to be flagged as suspicious by Cloudflare

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Re: Firefox appears to be flagged as suspicious by Cloudflare

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So a tragedy of the commons? See it is your problem to offer something to the general public then serve only the defacto monopolist instead of web standards. Because with each small compromise we each contribute to the problem until it reaches a breaking point. All the while those on the margins suffer, some with no real alternative. For ex in poorer areas where they cannot afford a computer that runs Chrome (which h…

Some people simply have no sense of community or civic duty. Everything is all about them, all the time. If they stand to profit from antisocial behavior, they won't hesitate.

the disconnect, as I see it, is the assertion that supporting Firefox is supporting "community" or "civic duty."

Most of the Firefox alternatives are standards-compliant also (specifically, the two big ones definitely are). And I don't see as many rendering regressions with them as I do with Firefox. So who truly benefits if I devote my team's engineering resources to chasing down Mozilla's bugs?

There might be some benefits to an engine multiculture; with so many engines derived from Chromium or Webkit, one could make a technical argument that maintaining Gecko as third choice has merit. I find that argument to be weak. Gecko has been around for longer than the other two and it isn't remarkably better (and seems to fall on its face quite often relative to alternatives). What if it's just a tech stack whose time has come and gone? How many resources are we wasting propping up an old stack that could be used to build, perhaps, a fourth option? Or solve existing problems in the other two? There's this vague hand-wavy assumption that Firefox represents "the open way of doing things" (odd when it's also maintained by a corporation, like the alternatives), but I don't see it as particularly more open than the other options.

I don't think I'm doing a disservice to the community by refraining from using jQuery and I don't think I'm doing a disservice to the community by refraining from going out of our way to support Firefox.

Re: Firefox appears to be flagged as suspicious by Cloudflare

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Because it works super great at throttling malicious traffic and solves a hard problem real site admins have.

Amount and severity of malicious traffic is greatly overestimated by many.

It might be, but I know that I had 200TB of real traffic via Cloudflare this month, while I paid for 8TB on my upstream. Running services of that scale would be utterly impossible for me and probably a lot of other people without their help, so it's definitely empowering.

Re: Firefox appears to be flagged as suspicious by Cloudflare

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(I’m responsible for Cloudflare’s L7 security products) While we can’t comment on the specifics of any customer configuration, we do not block or challenge Firefox by default—either with our Bot Management products or with any other L7 security controls. You can confirm this by signing up a free zone and making a request from Firefox.

Can customers configure Firefox as one of the criteria for a challenge?

Re: Firefox appears to be flagged as suspicious by Cloudflare

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(I’m responsible for Cloudflare’s L7 security products) While we can’t comment on the specifics of any customer configuration, we do not block or challenge Firefox by default—either with our Bot Management products or with any other L7 security controls. You can confirm this by signing up a free zone and making a request from Firefox.

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Re: Firefox appears to be flagged as suspicious by Cloudflare

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To add, without knowing the homepage firewall rule g2 has set up, we won't know exactly what sort of rules is triggering this, although the most likely signals they're using are either bot scores[0] or threat scores[0]. 0: https://developers.cloudflare.com/bots/concepts/bot-score/ 1: https://support.cloudflare.com/hc/en-us/articles/200170056-U...

Appreciate the speculation, but using Firefox does not increase your likelihood of being flagged as a bot nor does it increase your threat score.

Care to back that up with data? The link above is demonstrating the opposite.

Re: Firefox appears to be flagged as suspicious by Cloudflare

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Some people simply have no sense of community or civic duty. Everything is all about them, all the time. If they stand to profit from antisocial behavior, they won't hesitate.

the disconnect, as I see it, is the assertion that supporting Firefox is supporting "community" or "civic duty." Most of the Firefox alternatives are standards-compliant also (specifically, the two big ones definitely are). And I don't see as many rendering regressions with them as I do with Firefox. So who truly benefits if I devote my team's engineering resources to chasing down Mozilla's bugs? There might be some…

The monoculture is ruled by Google. Well funded forks are rarely breaking from upstream. So in practice supporting only one browser, or even just Blink / WebKit, yields more control and power to a single company.

Re: Firefox appears to be flagged as suspicious by Cloudflare

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Beware of one wishes for, in the end they will get Chrome everywhere anyway, because Firefox doesn't really matter, and there are no Web standards other than what Google is pushing from ChromeOS as standards, Project Fugus, Houdini, WebUSB, Web Bluetooth,...

So should we all suffer because Apple is greedy and fails to win in a fair fight with Google Chrome ?

What is fair about bending W3C into Chrome OS?

Ah, Google isn't Microsoft, and that do no evil stuff.

Re: Firefox appears to be flagged as suspicious by Cloudflare

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the disconnect, as I see it, is the assertion that supporting Firefox is supporting "community" or "civic duty." Most of the Firefox alternatives are standards-compliant also (specifically, the two big ones definitely are). And I don't see as many rendering regressions with them as I do with Firefox. So who truly benefits if I devote my team's engineering resources to chasing down Mozilla's bugs? There might be some…

The monoculture is ruled by Google. Well funded forks are rarely breaking from upstream. So in practice supporting only one browser, or even just Blink / WebKit, yields more control and power to a single company.

> Well funded forks are rarely breaking from upstream

Well sure, why would they when so many resources are tied up in limping Gecko along?

Re: Firefox appears to be flagged as suspicious by Cloudflare

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I have got this on gitlab.com every morning when I log in for at least a year. (We are a paying customer.) I use Firefox with Coookie Auto Delete.

I know that the internet is full of idiots and criminals. If they protect their service it's my benefit. It costs me maybe 2-3 seconds every morning, but then there will be 1000s of requests during the workday. If each of them were 0.1 seconds slower because their servers deal with nonsense my user experience would be much worse.

(I have no idea whether keeping cookies or using a different browser would avoid the visible challenge. I just don't care.)

Edit: I would really hate it if I had to do free Google captcha labor. Or fill the AWS one which always takes me 3 attempts to get it right.

Re: Firefox appears to be flagged as suspicious by Cloudflare

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Amount and severity of malicious traffic is greatly overestimated by many.

It might be, but I know that I had 200TB of real traffic via Cloudflare this month, while I paid for 8TB on my upstream. Running services of that scale would be utterly impossible for me and probably a lot of other people without their help, so it's definitely empowering.

Are you saying that 95% of traffic is malicious or 95% can be cached? In either case 200TB is a 1Gpbs link with 70% utilization. Something what a cheap (<100eur) server from Hetzner can sustain, for static content of course. 8TB is also not that much at all. As an example our household uses about 2TB per month, both working from home + watching netflix sometimes.
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