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Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by easrng »

czx4f4bd wrote: post #133
gameswithgo wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What workload do you do that 16GB isn't enough? Compiling large database backed .NET projects and Rust projects and AAA gaming all fit fine in 16GB

I'm using 18GB on Pop_OS right now and often use more. The main contributors are browser tabs and VS Code. If I closed out the projects I'm not actively working on right now and hunted down anything hogging RAM, I could get back under 16GB, but the nice thing about having 32GB is I almost never have to do that.

I'm pretty sure browsers automatically expand their in-memory cache to fill the available space, things would probably work with less.

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by suprjami »

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #116
throwaway888abc wrote: post #39

Not sure if parody But whoa! trackpoint Here is the hires from landing page https://media.graphassets.com/resize=width:3300,height:2805,... Edit: Legit, © Copyright 2022 HP Development Company, L.P.

The keyboard is missing an Insert key. But they're advertising an "FHD" screen as though that's a selling feature? That's only 1920x1080 - my Sony Vaio Z laptop from 2010 has the same resolution. People doing any kind of user-facing frontend dev-work pretty-much need a screen capable of 2x/200%/192dpi (i.e. 4K) at least. ...that's a deal-killer for me, as is the lack of a true middle-button on the touchpad. I'll be s…

Also, bold of you to assume Linux HiDPI support is up to the task. Evidently HP don't think so.

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by josephcsible »

yumraj wrote: post #134
7speter wrote: post #120

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Am i wrong to think that for 1000 dollars this laptop should come with 32gb of ram? Though its great that one can upgrade the memory.

To put things into perspective, Apple charges $400 to upgrade from $16GB to $32GB. So I’ll say that expecting 32GB RAM in a $1K laptop is a little too unrealistic.

But Apple charges ridiculous premiums for everything. For example, at https://frame.work/products/laptop-diy-12-gen-intel/configur... it's only $80 more for 32GB than for 16GB.

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by Glyptodon »

julianlam wrote: post #119
InfamousRece wrote: post #109

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I can definitely see myself using this machine. 16GB is enough for me as I don’t use electron. 8 core Ryzen is decent too.

I feel like a lot of developers overestimate the hardware specs that they need. My main development machine is a simple Ryzen 3 with 8GB RAM, and I run two electron apps (VS Code and Slack) at all times. A comment in a separate thread here mentioned virtualization. That and gaming would be two legitimate use cases, but for plain-jane development, "8gb ought to be enough for anybody" (har har)

Every 16 GB machine I've used for work in the last three years (until current 32 GB one) I'd occasionally run out of memory. Culprit? Web browsers... On Mac, Linux, and Windows. (Though occasionally other stuff needed significant memory too.)

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by crossroadsguy »

systemvoltage wrote: post #110
Kaibeezy wrote: post #55

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I’m non-tech side and snorted at max 16GB for devs. GLWT HP. Concur with the other comment that said it’s a marketing exercise aimed at decision makers.

I don't get it, you can upgrade it. What's the problem? 16GB is not the maximum possible RAM. Edit: I meant, you can upgrade it when speccing the laptop. The RAM is probably soldered.

Problem is it’s not a metal encased laptop with a partially bitten fruit on the back. If it had been that then people would have been happy to pay $2K for 8GB RAM and sing paeans and wait breathlessly to upgrade to next iteration for $2.9K next year, again with 8GB RAM.

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by 2143 »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #48

That's interesting; I thought System76 made Pop!_OS specifically to have a distro tuned to their hardware, but assuming this is as official as it looks that implies that they've started going for licensing it out to other vendors

Like nearly all other distros, you could install Pop!_OS on any machine.

I've used it for a couple of years in a Dell Vostro laptop (which was factory-loaded with Ubuntu). Works totally fine.

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by samtheprogram »

messe wrote: post #23
prescriptivist wrote: post #13

Looking at the keyboard layout makes me wonder. How many devs here actually use the right shift key and/or the right modifier keys? I've been programming for 20 years (15 or so using emacs) and I exclusively use the left shift and left modifiers. I probably have never used the (physically) right shift/modifier keys on the keyboard I'm currently typing on that I've had for 2 years. I loathe the four left modifier key…

I use right shift all the time? Probably 50:50 between the two for me.

My brother says the same thing, I thought it was absurd when I first heard it but they are out there.

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by pjob »

yumraj wrote: post #134
7speter wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Am i wrong to think that for 1000 dollars this laptop should come with 32gb of ram? Though its great that one can upgrade the memory.

To put things into perspective, Apple charges $400 to upgrade from $16GB to $32GB. So I’ll say that expecting 32GB RAM in a $1K laptop is a little too unrealistic.

I don't think you should use Apple to put upgrade pricing in perspective. They've used inflated pricing to extract extra money from a captive audience for many years. Other OEMs cannot demand similar premiums for commodity products.

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by suprjami »

pengaru wrote: post #92

> a tuned Linux keyboard with a Super key

You should look up the i3 keybindings and use those. Mine are based off that:

Super+Enter for terminal. Super+Space for launcher (rofi). Super+C to center window. Super+X to close window. Super+F for file manager. Super+E for editor. I have many others.

I wouldn't use a keyboard without a Super key.

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