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Re: Netflix to Employees: If you don't like our content, you can quit

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Post by rendall »

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #92
okareaman wrote: post #35

I can't help but feel this is aimed at trans activists who protested the Chappelle special. I think he went too far at a couple places, but that's what comedians do. I don't think it's transphobic to push back on trans activists. I have problematic issues (bipolar, recovering alcoholic) but I don't go around demanding the world accommodate me and calling people who won't listen to me haters.

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> if you’re not trans you may not understand transphobia very well but it’s similar to white people saying they don’t think something is racist

This is just a terrible, terrible argument, that leads to a continual ratcheting up and broadening of the definition of "transphobia".

Transphobia should mean only "fear or hatred of trans people".

What it comes to mean, however: questioning self-identification, questioning trans women in women's sports, questioning trans women in women's spaces, questioning the use of puberty blockers in young children, among others. With these now defined as transphobia, it is no longer necessary to acknowledge any principled, genuine objections or concerns there, because even raising these topics is transphobic (or TERF) by definition. The sad thing here is, a frank discussion might indeed allow trans women and bio women to come to some accommodation, but insisting that some people are the only ones who can define certain words like transphobia elides those conversations.

No. Words matter and words belong to us all, not only to those who decide they want to determine the bounds of debate. I say all this with huge, massive respect to the gender warriors out there. I promise, these tactics win skirmishes but will lose the war.

Re: Netflix to Employees: If you don't like our content, you can quit

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Post by zionic »

theossuary wrote: post #65
okareaman wrote: post #35

I can't help but feel this is aimed at trans activists who protested the Chappelle special. I think he went too far at a couple places, but that's what comedians do. I don't think it's transphobic to push back on trans activists. I have problematic issues (bipolar, recovering alcoholic) but I don't go around demanding the world accommodate me and calling people who won't listen to me haters.

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Re: Netflix to Employees: If you don't like our content, you can quit

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Post by thomasfedb »

zionic wrote: post #127
thomasfedb wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The main point being raised by trans activists is "please let us live our lives and not be horrible to us". There's really not a whole lot more to it than that. So if somebody's "pushing back" on that, I think it's pretty fair to call them transphobic.

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Given that you've clearly decided that trans activists have "delusions" I'm not sure there's much hope, however...

- What changes to your language are they demanding? If you mean they ask you to refer to them in a particular way, then this is not an uncommon thing. People often ask to be referred to in a particular way. For example, most people don't like being called "fruitloop".

- If what you mean by "anti-scientific ideas" is that that people exists who either a) are not conventionally male or female, or b) feel very strongly that their gender is not the one assigned to them at birth, then I would argue that these ideas are not anti-scientific at all. There is a huge amount of nuance in the science of human development that is left out in the "conventional" wisdom.

I'm a non-binary person, a scientist, and a medical doctor. So I am obviously invested here on several fronts.

Re: Netflix to Employees: If you don't like our content, you can quit

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Post by mgh2 »

whymauri wrote: post #131
dimgl wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you not seen their content lately? I wouldn't say it's woke propaganda, but a lot of their content is clearly trying to tick the diversity boxes.

It's a global company -- they need to make and provide content to a global audience.

How about providing unbiased content that show both sides?

Shows like Netflix's "Midnight Mass" and "Messiah" (questions on faith) or HBO max's "The Staircase" (objective & subjective truth) are the minority.

Re: Netflix to Employees: If you don't like our content, you can quit

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Post by otde »

cato_the_elder wrote: post #73
okareaman wrote: post #35

I can't help but feel this is aimed at trans activists who protested the Chappelle special. I think he went too far at a couple places, but that's what comedians do. I don't think it's transphobic to push back on trans activists. I have problematic issues (bipolar, recovering alcoholic) but I don't go around demanding the world accommodate me and calling people who won't listen to me haters.

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Re: Netflix to Employees: If you don't like our content, you can quit

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Post by zionic »

bryans wrote: post #110
okareaman wrote: post #35

I can't help but feel this is aimed at trans activists who protested the Chappelle special. I think he went too far at a couple places, but that's what comedians do. I don't think it's transphobic to push back on trans activists. I have problematic issues (bipolar, recovering alcoholic) but I don't go around demanding the world accommodate me and calling people who won't listen to me haters.

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Re: Netflix to Employees: If you don't like our content, you can quit

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Post by [deleted] »

aeturnum wrote: post #125
okareaman wrote: post #35

I can't help but feel this is aimed at trans activists who protested the Chappelle special. I think he went too far at a couple places, but that's what comedians do. I don't think it's transphobic to push back on trans activists. I have problematic issues (bipolar, recovering alcoholic) but I don't go around demanding the world accommodate me and calling people who won't listen to me haters.

> I don't think it's transphobic to push back on trans activists. You say you're part of several vulnerable populations, but you don't ask the world to "accommodate" you - but the complains trans people have about Chappelle are not about 'making their lives easier.' Where transphobia (or any prejudicial viewpoint) comes into play is refusing to take vulnerable populations' viewpoints seriously. When trans people poin…

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Re: Netflix to Employees: If you don't like our content, you can quit

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Post by linspace »

rossdavidh wrote: post #53

Problem for not only Netflix, but any other mammoth media company that wants to appeal to >50% of the population: you can't exclude half the political spectrum (either half). In the last part of the 20th century, the utterly drab and lackluster Three-Letter Networks were drab and lackluster in part because they were trying to avoid offending as large a portion of the population as possible. But, with way more than 3…

I think the quality of content is not related to whether is for or against some part of the population. As a matter of fact I find it quite dull and artificial when is so obsessively centered on some aspects like race or sexuality.

It reminds me of Don Quixote: it's a masterpiece of literature but I find different parts of varying quality. Some parts are eternal and you can relate to the glories and miseries of people from 500 years ago. Other parts, like when Don Quixote starts to ramble about honor, what is honorable or not, and so on and on, are quite boring. Not because honor is not important, we have laws nowadays about defamation after all, but you cannot make it the center of your life.

Making your content either offensive to some part of the population or making it all about some political agenda results in low quality content, IMHO.

Re: Netflix to Employees: If you don't like our content, you can quit

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Post by thomasfedb »

parkingrift wrote: post #123
cr__ wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are there people passing laws to fuck with people with bipolar disorder? Are there people telling you that you’re incorrect or even mentally ill because you identify as a recovering alcoholic?

Gender dysphoria is a mental disorder. Wanting something to be different doesn’t actually make it different. https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/gender-dyspho...

There's an important distinction here. To quote that page:

> Gender dysphoria is the feeling of discomfort or distress that might occur in people whose gender identity differs from their sex assigned at birth or sex-related physical characteristics.

Being transgender is not the same as having gender dysphoria. Gender dysphoria is the (sometimes) associated distress. It is effectively an administrated diagnosis, without it many trans people would not be able to access treatments they need.

The pages goes on with:

> The diagnosis was created to help people with gender dysphoria get access to necessary health care and effective treatment. The term focuses on discomfort as the problem, rather than identity.

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