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> For example you render with php and then you have some jquery that gives interaction.
Yes, that is how we (used to) do things: look up progressive enhancements.
WordPress’ market share is shrinking
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Re: WordPress’ market share is shrinking
#142Earlier quoted context omitted.
The problem with Wordpress isn't the ease of use, its the constant maintenance required. If you are a local restaurant, you don't need an extremely powerful and flexible framework. You need something that is always online, doesn't get hacked, doesn't have its certificates expire, doesn't run out of disk space because of a log file, doesn't get stuck on a 5 year old debian, etc. If you have to pay a little more to hav…
Does the wordpress commercial offering not solve this issue ? Maybe I am wrong, but I understood it also as setup and forget. Any users of wordpress.com could provide more information..
Well it definitely does improve the security on the "Wordpress" part, but there's still the custom plugins to worry about. Sure, the Woo* plugins and other premium offerings are great, but there's still lots of niche plugins that don't work together with each other, or break on newer WP versions, etc.
Re: WordPress’ market share is shrinking
#143The only people I know who hate Wordpress are the developers who have had the misfortune of having to manage an instance of Wordpress. All the marketing and content people I have worked with love it.
You can add to that "people who manage web hosting servers". Across our fleet, disabling hacked instances is a routine event. There is often a marketing person that wants to argue - according to their industry, WordPress is leading the security space. It's incredible how different industries view the product.
> according to their industry, WordPress is leading the security space
It's not the marketing industry. It's just that some people have this tendency of conflating popularity with supreme quality. "It can't be bad if it's popular".
Specialists in the marketing industry knows very well that outdated Wordpress is a minefield.
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Burner?
They'll still want your phone number and carrying a second phone just for those moments is a bit of a hassle. I'd be interested in a dual sim phone that had an instant "private mode" user account switch to the second sim. But even that would be a pita and it would severely limit the choice of hardware as well.
Why do you need to have the phone, beyond the initial registration?
Re: WordPress’ market share is shrinking
#145I'm continuing to use my own blogs/websites (not as much as social media, as much as an information store for myself as for my tiny audiences, not monetised) as an insurance; we have zero control over the data we post on any popular social media platform. One day it could suddenly disappear for a number of reasons - technical fault, decision by the platform provider, interference by the authorities, malicious destruction etc...
Re: WordPress’ market share is shrinking
#146Recently I considered building a new site with WordPress. I haven't used it in years, and looking at it again I didn't think it's the right fit anymore. It feels too limiting maybe? Right now I'm considering going the https://www.11ty.dev route instead. Anyone have any good experiences with it?
So, Wordpress, with its very flexible schemas and tens of thousands of plugins, and total freedom to do whatever with custom php is "too limiting" but a static site generator is not? Maybe have another look?
I still haven’t get the approximate number of plugins, assume I checked the WordPres sitemap of plugins seem to be less than “tens of thousands” (excluded those that are already outdated)?
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#147We can make assumptions all day but for me, the worst thing about WordPress is EASILY Plugin Hell. I can update all plugins this morning and they all want updates by the end of the day. And then when they break it’s a disaster. WordPress itself needs to take a chill pill too. Leave a version out for a year or more, and only small security patches. In the last year, I think we’ve seen block widgets, JQuery migrate nig…
I pay a small amount extra a month for my host to manage upgrades of my own WordPress sites and common plugins, I keep things simple on purpose to minimise the plugin hell you mention.
As much as I can do this myself, I can't guarantee timely updates as a private individual.
I've migrated 2 WP sites (one for work, one for a local club) to github pages to reduce the maintenance pain of WordPress.
Re: WordPress’ market share is shrinking
#148I think the "private website" space is shrinking - despite what adverts for Wix and Squarespace might infer. The consumer/blog space of geocities, tripod and the like went to social media. Then we went through a period of "businesses putting up 10 pages for a fixed price" through first of all "a local web guy" then by themselves using Wix/WP/SS etc. I've just had a bathroom fitted by a guy who functions purely on Ins…
Agreed with everything you've said.
I'd also add that the rise of cloud computing hasn't helped either. WP was great when hosting consisted of shared LAMP services or hosting your own. But WP is a huge pain in the arse to host on services like AWS (as well as expensive too). So lots of companies that might have opted for a CMS solution like WP could easily be swayed to another alternative. While this wouldn't be the biggest contributing factor -- it's a drop in the ocean compared to the points you've raised -- it is yet another example of how the industry is moving on from WP style content.
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As someone with probably 30+ sites built with Kirby I’d agree that it’s better than WP in many ways but it’s very developers oriented and it’s not really a replacement for WP for the average user. And when I say developers oriented I mean it in a good way.
Entirely agree with that assessment. All my clients love the Kirby backend and as a developer it’s a pleasure to work with the system. Documentation for first-time users could be better though. The YAML page structure took some time to wrap my head around. Also, as it’s flat-file, backups are trivial – just copy the folder or commit everything to a VCS.
I can second that.
Customers really love the very simple and clean UI and I love the Developer experience :-)
But yes it would not be a replacement for WordPress if you want to click together a site with themes and plugins
Re: WordPress’ market share is shrinking
#150Earlier quoted context omitted.
So, Wordpress, with its very flexible schemas and tens of thousands of plugins, and total freedom to do whatever with custom php is "too limiting" but a static site generator is not? Maybe have another look?
I still haven’t get the approximate number of plugins, assume I checked the WordPres sitemap of plugins seem to be less than “tens of thousands” (excluded those that are already outdated)?
"The Plugin Directory currently lists over 54,000 plugins with 1.5 billion total downloads".