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Minnesota Wants to Ban Under-18s from User-Generated Content Services

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Re: Minnesota Wants to Ban Under-18s from User-Generated Content Services

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Post by naniwaduni »

encoderer wrote: post #60
colechristensen wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why isn't it enforceable? State attorney general notices his kid's social media app is giving algorithmic instead of chronological results, subpoenas social networks for number of under-18s in Minnesota, files charges, court sets up enormous fine. Which part of this process is impossible?

Kids will lie about their age. They already do. You aren't supposed to sign up until you are 13. There are lots of pre-teens on Social Media. Stopping that would mean a KYC process for every social media signup. I don't think that works either.

The easiest way to not show non-chronological results to kids lying about their age isn't KYC, it's showing chronological results to everyone.

(or, well, not showing results to anyone)

I'm much less concerned about the issue of identifying kids (if they can't identify kids, all the better, adults get to benefit too) than that they're probably accidentally banning whole categories of useful things like rolling your own search engine.

Re: Minnesota Wants to Ban Under-18s from User-Generated Content Services

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Post by garrickvanburen »

GameOfKnowing wrote: post #20

Most technical adults I know are in some stage of trying to revert their internet usage back to the offerings this bill would allow through. The less than 1 million users careveout is HUGE— allowing for the power of small forums, federated socials, etc. seems like a great bill unless you’re trying to exploit young people.

The carve out for education and govt is also HUGE.

The power of small forums exists today - inside larger platforms that through aggregation have been able to corral the resources to persist.

Smaller forums falter and fade fairly easily (source: having admin'd them).

Re: Minnesota Wants to Ban Under-18s from User-Generated Content Services

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Post by [deleted] »

freemint wrote: post #137
_Nat_ wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the bill's text, as quoted by the article: > (b) The social media platform is liable to an individual account holder who received user-generated content through a social media algorithm while the individual account holder was under the age of 18 and was using the individual account holder’s own account, if the social media platform knew or had reason to know that the individual account holder was under the age o…

If they only upload videos taken with the selfie cam which look like a minor and seem to have a pre puberty voice and their locations are sometimes in Minnesota would that be enough to warrant: "had reason to know that the individual account holder was under 18 years"? If so that implies social network will have to scan every video for the age range of participants.

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Re: Minnesota Wants to Ban Under-18s from User-Generated Content Services

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Post by germinalphrase »

_-david-_ wrote: post #136
veilrap wrote: post #75

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The problem with this is that Republicans in power today equate things like evolution with Democrat ideals. When facts get labeled as bias it's impossible to remove both from the classroom and still have a functional classroom.

Can you name two Republicans who "equate things like evolution with Democrat ideals"?

Anti-Evolution Legislation

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-evolution_legislation

Re: Minnesota Wants to Ban Under-18s from User-Generated Content Services

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Post by RobertRoberts »

freemint wrote: post #140
RobertRoberts wrote: post #17

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Which do you prefer? 1) We should have school districts teaching _Republican_ ideals because the local schools support it. 2) We should have school districts teaching _Democrat_ ideals because the local schools support it. 3) No to both 1 and 2. You simply can't have it both ways, therefore the reasonable option is to say no to both.

Well i could wish for correct ideals to be taught which happen to be overwhelmingly not the republican ones.

Why not just teach math, reading and science and other non-political skills?

Re: Minnesota Wants to Ban Under-18s from User-Generated Content Services

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Post by RobertRoberts »

vineyardmike wrote: post #37
RobertRoberts wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which do you prefer? 1) We should have school districts teaching _Republican_ ideals because the local schools support it. 2) We should have school districts teaching _Democrat_ ideals because the local schools support it. 3) No to both 1 and 2. You simply can't have it both ways, therefore the reasonable option is to say no to both.

If 3, what are schools teaching? Hopefully students learn something beyond the reality that their education is a political pawn.

Reading and math seem like they would be useful skills taught in school.

Re: Minnesota Wants to Ban Under-18s from User-Generated Content Services

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Post by germinalphrase »

givemeethekeys wrote: post #2

Have they already tried to ban phones in schools?

No. I teach at the high school level in a suburb of Minneapolis. Staff asked for a formal response from administration about banning phones and were were told, directly and unequivocally, that we cannot do so, and while they support teacher initiative to restrict phone use in class, if a teacher should take a phone off a student they are personally and financially responsible for the device. I’m supposed to assume thousands of dollars of personal liability each day on my 45k salary? Fat chance.

As you expect, phone use is a constant problem. Parents are very often no more willing to restrict phone use when it’s brought to their attention. It’s kind of a shit show.

Re: Minnesota Wants to Ban Under-18s from User-Generated Content Services

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Post by helloworld11 »

encoderer wrote: post #33

Two things are true: 1. this bill is trash, it couldn’t be enforced, it’s pandering. 2. Social media as it has existed for the last 5-10 years is harmful for teenagers. Instagram is making teens depressed and suicidal. TikTok videos have people celebrating mental illness like Tourette’s and has brainwashed impressionable kids into believing they too have tics or multiple personalities or Tourette’s. Something needs t…

Oh please, social media may make teens depressed and suicidal, but so too has life in general for decades or longer. If anything, teens can more easily access social support from certain peers within the framework of social media when they do get into a bad spot. Teenage life has never been easy, but it has also never been easier than it is today.

Your notion of social media causing some sort of enormously unique and enormous damage needs to be heavily qualified by real evidence compared to previous trends. I say all this, by the way, as someone who has enormous criticism for the intrusive, manipulative and heavy handed totalities of social media companies. However, it's one thing to hate them where they deserve hate and another to attribute very old problems of teenage life to them as if they were unique emergences today.

It's popular on HN to hate on social networks (despite many people here very much being dependent on them for their large salaries) but some of this hate should be taken with a grain of salt and lots of qualification.

edit: social media makes teens suicidal and depressed, but not inordinately more than many other things would in their lives in general. Being saturated by these networks is not obligatory in life. Even teens have plenty of agency and opportunities to learn about the dangers of not moderating involvement in certain things. Enough with the youth social trauma porn.

Re: Minnesota Wants to Ban Under-18s from User-Generated Content Services

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Post by mbg721 »

RobertRoberts wrote: post #17
JohnWhigham wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny thing is that I guarantee a lot of the parents in support of dumb shit like this lose their minds at sexual education classes in public schools. Just shows that most people don't have the IQ necessary to be competent parents.

Which do you prefer? 1) We should have school districts teaching _Republican_ ideals because the local schools support it. 2) We should have school districts teaching _Democrat_ ideals because the local schools support it. 3) No to both 1 and 2. You simply can't have it both ways, therefore the reasonable option is to say no to both.

There are plenty of school districts in localities where there's no meaningful Republican presence; how are they doing?

Re: Minnesota Wants to Ban Under-18s from User-Generated Content Services

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Post by _-david-_ »

germinalphrase wrote: post #144
_-david-_ wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you name two Republicans who "equate things like evolution with Democrat ideals"?

Anti-Evolution Legislation https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-evolution_legislation

The OP said "Republicans in power today". You provided a link of legislations from 10 plus years ago most of which didn't even go anywhere.
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