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The End of Industrial Society

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Re: The End of Industrial Society

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Post by CryptoPunk »

tablespoon wrote: post #129
donkeybeer wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have to remember the basic idea behind a lot of these word salads is that "We need to return to kings and aristocracy" and that "Of course I am a high iq intellectual who will be the nobility and not a feudal worker, why is there any doubt?". Everything starts making sense then.

> You have to remember the basic idea behind a lot of these word salads is that "We need to return to kings and aristocracy" and that "Of course I am a high iq intellectual who will be the nobility and not a feudal worker, why is there any doubt?". Everything starts making sense then. A real king would probably slaughter people like Thiel and his hangers on and take whatever money they have. The schadenfreude from se…

Do you have a source for the claim that Thiel supports a return to monarchy?

Re: The End of Industrial Society

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Post by at_a_remove »

donkeybeer wrote: post #45
jonstewart wrote: post #41

Palladium magazine was founded by Wolf Tivy and Jonah Bennett. It is funded by Peter Thiel. Jonah Bennett previously worked at The Daily Caller and he resigned from Palladium when it was discovered he had authored some racist messages and was friends with various white nationalists. Samo Burja, the author, is undoubtedly a more serious and educated person. However, he promotes a “Great Founder Theory” which is not so…

You have to remember the basic idea behind a lot of these word salads is that "We need to return to kings and aristocracy" and that "Of course I am a high iq intellectual who will be the nobility and not a feudal worker, why is there any doubt?". Everything starts making sense then.

That's pretty much true of most people spouting off about a Big Regime Change. I know entirely too many Communists who think that they're going to spend their time designing uniforms, or just raising baby goats. Everyone thinks that they're gonna get their ideal world out of it.

Re: The End of Industrial Society

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Post by beaconstudios »

timmytokyo wrote: post #65
jonstewart wrote: post #41

Palladium magazine was founded by Wolf Tivy and Jonah Bennett. It is funded by Peter Thiel. Jonah Bennett previously worked at The Daily Caller and he resigned from Palladium when it was discovered he had authored some racist messages and was friends with various white nationalists. Samo Burja, the author, is undoubtedly a more serious and educated person. However, he promotes a “Great Founder Theory” which is not so…

Jonah Bennett goes deep down the anti-semitic neoreactionary rabbit hole [1]. Interesting how Peter Thiel keeps funding these types of people [2]. [1] https://splinternews.com/leaked-emails-show-how-white-nation... [2] https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/04/inside-the-new-right...

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Re: The End of Industrial Society

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Post by 6510 »

coliveira wrote: post #54
zozbot234 wrote: post #48

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The idea of those who favor "kings and aristocracy" is more that we'll always have people around with more power than others (elites), and that formal transparency about who these people are ultimately improves accountability. Would you work for a faux "anarcho-tyrannyist" firm where you have no idea who the CEO is and who the managers are that can fire you or cut your salary?

Who guarantees the "kings and aristocrats" are really the ones pulling the strings? They are frequently just puppets.

We are all just puppets enslaved by the processes we create and confused by our limited experience.

Re: The End of Industrial Society

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Post by notahacker »

zozbot234 wrote: post #124
notahacker wrote: post #117

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> The idea of those who favor "kings and aristocracy" is more that we'll always have people around with more power than others (elites), and that formal transparency about who these people are ultimately improves accountability But this is of course palpable nonsense. The entire point of kings and aristocracy was to formalise the notion that the de facto elite was in fact a class of people so superior to everyone els…

There are plenty of people in current government who are de facto not accountable to the public. Sometimes that lack of accountability is even intended by design. Are Supreme Court Justices accountable to the public for their interpretation of the law?

I said semblance of accountability for a reason. Still, Supreme Court justices are appointed in limited number by elected politicians - who have to justify the appointment based on their supposed professional credentials - to discharge a specific set of duties

They certainly would not be more accountable if their appointments were more aristocratic in character (i.e. they inherited them from their ancestors who had been appointed for arbitrary reasons by an unelected monarch) and, like aristocrats, they didn't have to explain how and why they exercised the powers given to them.

Re: The End of Industrial Society

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Post by beaconstudios »

dc-programmer wrote: post #112

Conservatives need to lay off the Marx and French post-structuralism, and maybe go back to Burke or something. The incongruence between the aesthetics and message of these articles causes confusion to readers because most aren’t familiar with dialectical materialism (and the ones that are see through the poorly executed subversion attempt). You can tell because a lot of the comments on these articles are complaining…

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Re: The End of Industrial Society

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Post by [deleted] »

pavlov wrote: post #132
tablespoon wrote: post #123

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> Putinists love to make the claim that Ukraine isn’t a real nation (and Steve Bannon went on record to agree). It’s worth noting that the same arguments would apply to Canada. If the Thiel-funded right succeeds, they’ll eventually need a war to fuel the nationalist fire. Why not a reunification of the North American colonies? Canada is obviously controlled by decadent forces that need to be purged, just like Ukraine…

Russians didn’t think about Ukraine either twenty years ago. The ancient Slav connection mythology is manufactured by the Putinist project. When a place is a void in the public’s mind, that’s the ideal target to fill it with nationalist fury. The people of Belgrade didn’t think very often about Bosnia in 1980; thirteen years later their leaders were running a genocide to cleanse Bosnia of the elements that supposedly…

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Re: The End of Industrial Society

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Post by someguydave »

jonstewart wrote: post #41

Palladium magazine was founded by Wolf Tivy and Jonah Bennett. It is funded by Peter Thiel. Jonah Bennett previously worked at The Daily Caller and he resigned from Palladium when it was discovered he had authored some racist messages and was friends with various white nationalists. Samo Burja, the author, is undoubtedly a more serious and educated person. However, he promotes a “Great Founder Theory” which is not so…

Sorry, it is 2022 and simply labeling people as non-progressive is not interesting anymore.

Re: The End of Industrial Society

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Post by donkeybeer »

at_a_remove wrote: post #142
donkeybeer wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have to remember the basic idea behind a lot of these word salads is that "We need to return to kings and aristocracy" and that "Of course I am a high iq intellectual who will be the nobility and not a feudal worker, why is there any doubt?". Everything starts making sense then.

That's pretty much true of most people spouting off about a Big Regime Change. I know entirely too many Communists who think that they're going to spend their time designing uniforms, or just raising baby goats. Everyone thinks that they're gonna get their ideal world out of it.

The difference is that communism purports to be an egalitarian system (what actually happens in practice during a regime change is another matter of course), so there is nothing strange about it. But doing footwork for a deliberately anti-egalitarian system by design is funny given the chances most of these people have of ending up in the inner circle.

Re: The End of Industrial Society

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

woodruffw wrote: post #85
jollybean wrote: post #69

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? The history of aristocracy is about amplifying perception of power. Everyone knows who the King and Duke are and what their means of power are. The stage elaborate public things to legitimize their power. The Pharaohs themselves lived an entirely 'stage performed' existence to convince the plebes of their ostensible legitimacy. There are 'other groups' with power, whereupon the public knowledge of their influence w…

> Everyone knows who the King and Duke are and what their means of power are. This is only true in a limited sense. The single most important justification for the King's power has been his divine right: a doctrine of preordained power that no earthly force can usurp. This works pretty well on illiterate peasants who fear divine retribution, but the cat is more or less out of the bag on that front. And note: that is…

And so the Declaration of Independence was a direct shot against that. "All men are created equal, they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights" is a direct attack against the divine right of kings (and nobles).
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