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Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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But why ML people have to be forced in the office ?

hard to say, perhaps access to future dev hardware accelerators (neural engines)

I think it’s fair to say that the people asking to be allowed to WFH know they can do their job properly while WFH.

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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Here’s to the crazy ones, the misfits, the rebels, the troublemakers, the round pegs in the square holes… the ones who see things differently — they’re not fond of rules… You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them, but the only thing you can’t do is ignore them because they change things… they push the human race forward, and while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius, because the on…

Rebels, but WITHIN REASON

Rebels with a pension scheme?

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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I'm one of those misfits/troublemakers/etc. I've done my life mostly on my terms, and I've had it really tough. Conformists generally get it much easier. I'm all for more independent thought and fuck-you-ness but never forget that for most people that comes at a high price, so take off the rose-tinted specs.

here's to you, good luck in your journey. make it worth it "If you're going to try, go all the way. Otherwise, don't even start. This could mean losing girlfriends, wives, relatives and maybe even your mind. It could mean not eating for three or four days. It could mean freezing on a park bench. It could mean jail. It could mean derision. It could mean mockery--isolation. Isolation is the gift. All the others are a t…

I’d only take life advice from Bukowski if I wanted to end up like Bukowski. Doesn’t really sound like a great life tbh.

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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I have a strong dislike for remote work and will only work at companies with offices where people are expected to go to the vast majority of days. I absolutely understand that it's the opposite for some people.

Same here. I currently work at a very prestigious tech company and I’m surprised by how boring it actually is. There’s hardly anyone around in the office and frankly I couldn’t care less about the free stuff. They pay me enough that I can go out and buy my own snacks. What I want is a team to learn from and grow. Not some teachers pets that sit behind zoom calls making sure they know exactly what’s “on the test” so t…

Is being in the same physical place the requisite for being 'a team'? Open-source work traditionally has been distributed, and I bet it often results in teams that are closer than the ones from work.

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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I can’t help but notice the timing of this. ML is starting to fizzle out as a “savior” of the industry after lofty promises were never fulfilled.

Goodfellow was hired right at the peak of ML hype, so I have to assume his salary/total compensation was extraordinarily high, so he was very expensive to keep around.

Apple would’ve made an exemption for exceptional talent. They didn’t make the exception for him.

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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I don't think anyone (or, at least not many people) is arguing against working in the office if you have a specific need to be there . What people have an issue with is requiring a return to the office for no other reason than "group synergy".

Ironically, "group synergy" was given as the reason for cramming people into the open plan offices that everybody was glad to get away from.

Do you ever notice the guys pushing the group synergy, generally have big offices?

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Unlike Google where Urs demanded his org back in person while he moved to New Zealand to safely work remote: https://www.businessinsider.com/google-exec-reportedly-worki...

Just before he endorsed slavery on Twitter. "A bad look" doesn't even begin to describe Urs these days. https://www.businessinsider.com/google-exec-urs-holzle-buyin...

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Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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Ironically, "group synergy" was given as the reason for cramming people into the open plan offices that everybody was glad to get away from.

“Group synergy” where “group” means “reduced real estate cost” and “synergy” means “fnord.”

Synergy means multiplication instead of addition when things are put together, like male and female oxen. You put them together in an open office and more oxen are sure to be produced.

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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I have a strong dislike for remote work and will only work at companies with offices where people are expected to go to the vast majority of days. I absolutely understand that it's the opposite for some people.

Same here. I currently work at a very prestigious tech company and I’m surprised by how boring it actually is. There’s hardly anyone around in the office and frankly I couldn’t care less about the free stuff. They pay me enough that I can go out and buy my own snacks. What I want is a team to learn from and grow. Not some teachers pets that sit behind zoom calls making sure they know exactly what’s “on the test” so t…

> currently work at a very prestigious tech company

So do, and I have also worked for scrappy 100% remote startups. The 100% remote startup had better team cohesion and better knowledge transfer with more opportunities to learn.

You might get those things in the office, but pre-pandemic, at least my office environment provided none of those things. Don't conflate a good team dynamic with an office environment. I used to pair program with a guy for four hours a day and I never met him until we both left the company.

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