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Heroku: We’ve Heard Your Feedback

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Re: Heroku: We’ve Heard Your Feedback

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I was a long time Heroku user/lover (~10 years) for both personal and company projects. I've recently moved to Render[1], and so far it's been great. I haven't been using them long enough to put it through it's paces, but I'd certainly say it's worth a look. Other alternatives I've heard good things about are Fly.io[2] and Porter[3]. [1] - https://render.com/ [2] - https://fly.io/ [3] - https://porter.run/

Checked out render.com in the context of side projects that I want on the air but don't expect anyone to ever use (I have so many on heroku, who got rewarded for their generosity with many thousands of dollars of business from me), which means I'm willing to pay a few dollars but not to pay per-app. Looks great except that they delete your free databases after 90 days, making it completely useless for this use case.…

Heroku only gives you one free app too? Fly.io pricing is a lot cheaper. You can run a small service for $2/month whereas Heroku is $7 minimum.

Re: Heroku: We’ve Heard Your Feedback

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The amount of Salesforce fluff in the post is quite palpable. There is a clear lack of control with the leaders in Heroku judging off this post because of the salesforce transition. This project Periwinkle sounds awful. Basically thats the end of using Heroku for us. If it remains like this its something to judge from.

There really aren't any Heroku leaders anymore. I think anyone director level or higher is Salesforce—not Heroku. It's worth mentioning that this isn't a result of Salesforce acquiring Heroku. That happened 12 years ago when Heroku was next to nothing. Salesforce gets credit for investing in and making Heroku. Why they ultimately have decided to give up on it I have no idea. I hear it's because salespeople had a hard…

This happens after every single Salesforce acqusition. If you think you're different, compare how many new internal promotions there are, how many senior management have left and how many Salesforce transplants there are.

Everyone thought they were the darling child, at least for the first 18 months.

Re: Heroku: We’ve Heard Your Feedback

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Periwinkle never materialized. Neither did Shinrai, or a number of other projects that people brought up in hn threads about this incident. It’s clear that Heroku has lost a ton of great talent and momentum due to questionable business decisions but some of the most controversial fail to ever make it past codename status.

It's on ice. As you say it's also not the first time they've attempted something like this. Eventually they'll get there, but customers should know that's the direction. They'll be users of "Compute Cloud" writing APEX instead of Procfiles someday.

Remember when Salesforce was moving off of Oracle within 2 years? A decade ago..

Re: Heroku: We’ve Heard Your Feedback

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post #94

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Where do I find those notifications? I only got a single email, stating I should "reset my user password as mentioned in our previous notification". Nothing prior, nothing since, and their password reset form shows nothing but "Internal Server Error". I've been getting some details from HN but I think I'm missing a lot of the picture since they obviously don't send everyone every email.

I have 21 emails from them with the subject "[Issue] Heroku Security Notification", since this started.

I got 1, seemingly a week after most people.

Re: Heroku: We’ve Heard Your Feedback

#146

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The amount of Salesforce fluff in the post is quite palpable. There is a clear lack of control with the leaders in Heroku judging off this post because of the salesforce transition. This project Periwinkle sounds awful. Basically thats the end of using Heroku for us. If it remains like this its something to judge from.

There really aren't any Heroku leaders anymore. I think anyone director level or higher is Salesforce—not Heroku. It's worth mentioning that this isn't a result of Salesforce acquiring Heroku. That happened 12 years ago when Heroku was next to nothing. Salesforce gets credit for investing in and making Heroku. Why they ultimately have decided to give up on it I have no idea. I hear it's because salespeople had a hard…

> because salespeople had a hard time understanding how to sell it which seems like a strange reason to give up entirely.

Yet unfortunately from my experience with large orgs and sales, the sales people get all the control and freely shit on the people actually making the software they sell.

Re: Heroku: We’ve Heard Your Feedback

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I was a long time Heroku user/lover (~10 years) for both personal and company projects. I've recently moved to Render[1], and so far it's been great. I haven't been using them long enough to put it through it's paces, but I'd certainly say it's worth a look. Other alternatives I've heard good things about are Fly.io[2] and Porter[3]. [1] - https://render.com/ [2] - https://fly.io/ [3] - https://porter.run/

Checked out render.com in the context of side projects that I want on the air but don't expect anyone to ever use (I have so many on heroku, who got rewarded for their generosity with many thousands of dollars of business from me), which means I'm willing to pay a few dollars but not to pay per-app. Looks great except that they delete your free databases after 90 days, making it completely useless for this use case.…

Dokku on top of a Digital Ocean droplet is a pretty cheap and easy option if you're OK with a single-server solution (i.e. small side project) and you're looking for something Heroku-like.

Re: Heroku: We’ve Heard Your Feedback

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There really aren't any Heroku leaders anymore. I think anyone director level or higher is Salesforce—not Heroku. It's worth mentioning that this isn't a result of Salesforce acquiring Heroku. That happened 12 years ago when Heroku was next to nothing. Salesforce gets credit for investing in and making Heroku. Why they ultimately have decided to give up on it I have no idea. I hear it's because salespeople had a hard…

Salesforce is where good software goes to die (or at best become stagnant and lame). Same thing happened to quip and will happen to slack.

I didn't know Slack had been acquired by Salesforce.

That's sad, I guess.

Re: Heroku: We’ve Heard Your Feedback

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It's on ice. As you say it's also not the first time they've attempted something like this. Eventually they'll get there, but customers should know that's the direction. They'll be users of "Compute Cloud" writing APEX instead of Procfiles someday.

Remember when Salesforce was moving off of Oracle within 2 years? A decade ago..

I wouldn't be surprised if Larry got them CIA/gov't contracts to avoid anything like that happening.

Re: Heroku: We’ve Heard Your Feedback

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If you're on Heroku how do you deploy now? It says it's still weeks away before you can deploy - did I read this right?

Same way we’ve done for years, via our CD (circle CI), which uses the Heroku CLI We’ve been lucky that this entire event has, theoretically, not touched us as we never connected GitHub. That may change as more information comes to light. We’re still strongly considering moving to AWS, and are in the process of getting quotes from vendors.

Are you thinking AWS, or a provider like Render, etc?
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