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Google's most ridiculous trick to force users into adding phone number

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Re: Google's most ridiculous trick to force users into adding phone number

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Their device might have Google Smart Shellac on it, so this user chose to strip it off for the full De-Goog experience.

> Google Smart Shellac No idea what this is and searching yields nail polish as the result.

I was making a (funny) joke that they put magic google paint on the phone, in addition to their software in the phone.

Re: Google's most ridiculous trick to force users into adding phone number

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Yeah I am sure too, my last company used google apps and I didn't want to use my personal number for google, but they forced me to insert a number in order to use 2FA, so I had to ask for a work SIM just so that google would STFU, it was said to be a backup method for google authenticator, f*uck google Companies using google apps, keep in mind, you pay money for a service but if there's google involved, you're still…

Microsoft plays the same games with their authenticator app.

Let’s avoid Microsoft too?

Re: Google's most ridiculous trick to force users into adding phone number

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Every new feature from Google is a middle finger to their users, then you get some corporate double speak about how it's all well and good and how it makes the product better. Get a Fastmail account, I got one after I got tired of google breaking my IMAP settings every other week. They're cheap, they have most everything you'd need from an email provider, and they don't require a special app like proton.

I think if I'm gonna pay for using email, I'll just try to get any cheap VPS/domain and try to run my own email. It'll be more expensive for sure, but at least it will be my own thing I'm paying for.

Fastmail service with a custom domain includes 10GB storage and zero hassles.

Re: Google's most ridiculous trick to force users into adding phone number

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I'm not too keen on mandatory 2fa via phone. we need something simpler, like, dunno, some sort of chip on our hands or foreheads perhaps? /s on a serious note, it's annoying how fundamentalists eventually keep getting shit right because of idiots in power fulfilling their prophecies (daniel sloss had a nice comedy skit on this)

That makes me wonder, how big does the gap have to be between a supposed prophecy and the supposed fulfilment of that prophecy before we can't call it "self-fulfilling" any more?

I suppose that on a time scale of thousands of years, a lot of analytical methods break down (and certainly it would be hard to start any new experiments which take that long to complete), but I think that epistemological bonus points should go to anyone whose interpretation of a prophecy guessed the correct ~50 year period for its fulfilment roughly 1800 years in advance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennialism#cite_ref-18

Re: Google's most ridiculous trick to force users into adding phone number

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I tried fastmail and then there was no search on the drive aspect. had to move back to google

I'm able to search for filenames in fastmail files. I guess you refer to searching file contents?

You can mount the files via WebDAV then grep away or point an indexing tool at that as desired.

Re: Google's most ridiculous trick to force users into adding phone number

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not only lost phone, but damaged phone is enough, as you can easily swap sim card but authenticator need to be set up again. BUT there are also one time recovery codes, they could add you option to use those to recover after clicking through few screens of warnings to make sure that you know what consequences does it have

That's one reason I definitely prefer SMS auth to any other method at the moment. What if your phone is damaged while traveling and you are away from where you stored your recovery keys?

Whenever I add a new 2FA token, I always add it to my phone and a TOTP app (Authy) on my computers. Same thing for recovery keys.

Re: Google's most ridiculous trick to force users into adding phone number

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Shellac is just a varnish/coating, so the implication is Google features are metaphorically painted on the phone hardware and software and you just need to scrape it off.

Unfortunately, what Google embeds into Android software is significantly more adverse than just "shellac". A standard Android phone sends your IMEI and SIM card info to Google servers on boot up before you even have a chance to login.

Citation for this?

Re: Google's most ridiculous trick to force users into adding phone number

#149
The Fair Email FAQ [1] states that it supports Google's OAuth, so why don't you authenticate with that?

"OAuth for Gmail is supported via the quick setup wizard. The Android account manager will be used to fetch and refresh OAuth tokens for selected on-device accounts. OAuth for non on-device accounts is not supported because Google requires a yearly security audit ($15,000 to $75,000) for this. You can read more about this here [2]."

1. https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/blob/master/FAQ.md#user-co... 2. https://www.theregister.com/2019/02/11/google_gmail_develope...

So it maybe works, or maybe not, because they're not paying Google for the security audit.

Re: Google's most ridiculous trick to force users into adding phone number

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Google is, uh, not just email. https://about.google/products/

The topic of the post was email. Even expanding to every other product, which ones are you forced to use? Just pick another one. Calling this feudalism is a bit much.

Email was just an example. Topic is about account.
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