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Re: Fediverse

#141

Post by DarylZero » Wed, May 04, 2022, 12:06 PM UTC

grishka wrote: post #24

echelon wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No, absolutely not. Public keys make terrible identifiers. You leak it and anyone can impresonate you, with you having no recourse. You lose it and you have to start a new life basically. Most average people can't even get the platforms to deal with ATOs. I'm not into crypto, but it's also accepted in that community that you must safeguard your keys. But beyond the status quo, I can easily imagine dozens of mitigat…

> I'm not into crypto, but it's also accepted in that community that you must safeguard your keys. Of course it is accepted , but so it is with passwords. And people are terrible enough with passwords, yet here you are suggesting that they use something that can't even be (easily) memorized, can't be invalidated, and has to be stored reliably yet secretly, as "the" identifier. You're putting too much trust into your…

The other solutions don't work in the real world either. If somebody says that their Facebook account is lost and can't be recovered, people will believe them and not Facebook.

Re: Fediverse

#142

Post by krinchan » Wed, May 04, 2022, 2:42 PM UTC

hello_marmalade wrote: post #132

krinchan wrote: post #118

As someone whose primary social media is in the Fediverse, the discussion in this thread is ... confusing? It's so disconnected from my experienced reality of the Fediverse I don't even know where to begin . Functionally, my experience within the Fediverse is it's literally just Twitter but with moderation fully broken up between instances and not agreed on. An instance's administrator(s) can decide what instances us…

This is a nice idea in theory, but the issue then becomes inconsistent moderation that affects what is visible to everyone. If you get banned or have posts deleted on one platform, presumably those posts disappear from that instance, and thus the Fediverse as a whole. This also leads to some pretty insidious siloing since (at least with Mastadon) you can have instances block themselves off from other instances or ins…

> This also leads to some pretty insidious siloing since (at least with Mastadon) you can have instances block themselves off from other instances or instances at large, which seems pretty unhealthy.

I really keep coming back to this sentence and still continue to not see the downside. Why is it a problem if an instance walls itself off from the Fediverse? What right do you have to force an instance to do literally anything? This idea that people think you should be forced to engage or interact with content they don't want to see is ... disturbing. Free speech gives you the right to say what you want but it doesn't give you the right to force people to listen to you.

I really want to give the benefit of the doubt but your protests seem entirely based around this idea that you have the right to force people to interact with you. That aspect of Twitter is entirely what enabled Twitter Mobs to mete out life destroying "justice" over the smallest of infractions.

Re: Fediverse

#143

Post by elric » Sun, May 08, 2022, 5:29 PM UTC

krinchan wrote: post #133

hello_marmalade wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a nice idea in theory, but the issue then becomes inconsistent moderation that affects what is visible to everyone. If you get banned or have posts deleted on one platform, presumably those posts disappear from that instance, and thus the Fediverse as a whole. This also leads to some pretty insidious siloing since (at least with Mastadon) you can have instances block themselves off from other instances or ins…

I don’t pay for my account on my home instance. I don’t want to interact with the world and I think most people are tired of living under threat of being one misstep away from a Twitter Mob. Your complaints are features. People are fleeing to group chats for a reason. As for the problem of your data being deleted if you’re concerned with that export your data regularly or run your own instance. Anyways, while it’d be…

> most people are tired of living under threat of being one misstep away from a Twitter Mob

I think you severely overestimate most people's capacity to give a damn about Twitter.