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Re: Netlify Edge Functions: A new serverless runtime powered by Deno

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This is great news. I'm really rooting for a successful trend of Serverless runtimes, mainly as a weapon against rising cloud deployment costs. While the general trend today is to back the serverless environment with Javascript runtimes (Cloudflare runs its edge on top of V8, Netlify uses deno, most other serverless runtimes use nodejs), I'm optimistic that WebAssembly will take over this space eventually, for a bunc…

Fastly use WASM for their Edge Compute offering

Re: Netlify Edge Functions: A new serverless runtime powered by Deno

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post #5

This is great news. I'm really rooting for a successful trend of Serverless runtimes, mainly as a weapon against rising cloud deployment costs. While the general trend today is to back the serverless environment with Javascript runtimes (Cloudflare runs its edge on top of V8, Netlify uses deno, most other serverless runtimes use nodejs), I'm optimistic that WebAssembly will take over this space eventually, for a bunc…

Really, really dumb question. I've seen a lot of node/python/etc serverless offerings. Is there something where you just provide a binary and its executed each time? For example, I write a simple single responsibility piece of code in Go `add_to_cart.go` and build it, deploy it, and somehow map it to some network request. dot slash pass args, and return the result? No need to have containers or runtime?

This is exactly what we are building at TinyFunction.com Just write your function code in Javascript or Python in the browser and click deploy to get a URL. Take a look at https://TinyFunction.com

Appreciate any suggestions or feedback.

Re: Netlify Edge Functions: A new serverless runtime powered by Deno

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Netlify for me is a prime example of a great company gone wrong by raising too much VC money. The basic product of Netlify is a great one: build and host static sites without the need to mess with any of the tech stack. For us developer folk, this should be easy: run the build command of any static site generator and stick the results into an S3 bucket. And yet, something as simple as this became so popular with even…

I’d be interested in building the bootstrapped “git push and we build and publish”, aka “heroku for static site compilers” Chime in if you’d like to be one of the first few customers. If there’s enough interest here’s how I’d play it: 1. I won’t raise VC money. I know how to build a SaaS business without it—I bootstrapped Poll Everywhere from $0 to $10m+. 2. My motivations these days are to build low complexity produ…

I built something that will take care of the publish part but not the static site generation part here https://github.com/newbeelearn/sserver. Right now it only has one user i.e. me :-)

Re: Netlify Edge Functions: A new serverless runtime powered by Deno

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We’ve been Netlify paying customers for 2 years now. While I appreciate the new features, the core platform has been becoming unreliable in the past 6 months. We’ve had a decent amount of downtime.

I do not recommend them anymore. We will move somewhere else.

Almost every few days we get a report that some customers can’t access our site from where they are. Our US east engineers can confirm that their POP is down.

Netlify’s status page says everything is working, but in reality it’s not.

Netlify as a CDN has failed for us on its core promise.

Re: Netlify Edge Functions: A new serverless runtime powered by Deno

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Netlify for me is a prime example of a great company gone wrong by raising too much VC money. The basic product of Netlify is a great one: build and host static sites without the need to mess with any of the tech stack. For us developer folk, this should be easy: run the build command of any static site generator and stick the results into an S3 bucket. And yet, something as simple as this became so popular with even…

I’d be interested in building the bootstrapped “git push and we build and publish”, aka “heroku for static site compilers” Chime in if you’d like to be one of the first few customers. If there’s enough interest here’s how I’d play it: 1. I won’t raise VC money. I know how to build a SaaS business without it—I bootstrapped Poll Everywhere from $0 to $10m+. 2. My motivations these days are to build low complexity produ…

How would you convince people to go with you over Cloudflare Sites, Vercel, Netlify etc? Is the pitch "we do what they do, but less" compelling?

Re: Netlify Edge Functions: A new serverless runtime powered by Deno

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> In a static html site there is only one index.html so all routes have the same meta tags unless you overwrite the index.html file using an edge worker. I guess this is specifically for SPA static sites? I would expect a static html site to have different html files for each page, like blog/2020-09-09-title.html and that could then have its own metatags, so no need for this dynamic rewriting, unless I'm missing some…

Correct. This is only for SPAs that use client side routing like react-router. React SPAs are quite common with startups in my experience.

Crawlers like Google's run JavaScript now though, so your example is outdated.

Re: Netlify Edge Functions: A new serverless runtime powered by Deno

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> I'm really rooting for a successful trend of Serverless runtimes, mainly as a weapon against rising cloud deployment costs. How would that work? Don't these tend to facilitate cloud lock-in or at least be cloud-only in the sense that they make it hard to operate your own metal infrastructure?

There is KNative for that. But really folks are using serverless to _not_ have to operate their own iron and save themselves an ops team.

Sure. Just saying those savings only work if the cloud vendors are in fact charging reasonable rates on serverless compute, storage, and bandwidth. In my experience cloud vendors love to tow that line but if you do the math the savings over DIY are sometimes questionable. It depends on your work load.

Re: Netlify Edge Functions: A new serverless runtime powered by Deno

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post #146

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Correct. This is only for SPAs that use client side routing like react-router. React SPAs are quite common with startups in my experience.

Crawlers like Google's run JavaScript now though, so your example is outdated.

This isn't only for googlebot but Twitterbot, slackbot, facebookbot and [fill-in-blank]bot that fetch your page to generate a url preview in their app when links from your domain are shared.

Re: Netlify Edge Functions: A new serverless runtime powered by Deno

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post #146

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Crawlers like Google's run JavaScript now though, so your example is outdated.

This isn't only for googlebot but Twitterbot, slackbot, facebookbot and [fill-in-blank]bot that fetch your page to generate a url preview in their app when links from your domain are shared.

If that's your concern it probably makes more sense to just be server-rendering at that point

Re: Netlify Edge Functions: A new serverless runtime powered by Deno

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post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’d be interested in building the bootstrapped “git push and we build and publish”, aka “heroku for static site compilers” Chime in if you’d like to be one of the first few customers. If there’s enough interest here’s how I’d play it: 1. I won’t raise VC money. I know how to build a SaaS business without it—I bootstrapped Poll Everywhere from $0 to $10m+. 2. My motivations these days are to build low complexity produ…

How would you convince people to go with you over Cloudflare Sites, Vercel, Netlify etc? Is the pitch "we do what they do, but less" compelling?

I’d position it as “we do exactly what needs to be done: push, build, deploy” and talk to the benefits of deploying static websites without all the complexity of edge functions and the complicated pricing that goes with it.

I’d also speak to the idea that the service is shooting for longevity and stability by not adding a bunch of whiz bang stuff needed to justify PM salaries or impress VCs that will be sunset later.

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