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5-min breathing workout lowers blood pressure as much as exercise, drugs (2021)

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Re: 5-min breathing workout lowers blood pressure as much as exercise, drugs (2021)

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Post by brigandish »

rajup wrote: post #136
brigandish wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the first definition I found: > Cultural appropriation refers to the use of objects or elements of a non-dominant culture in a way that reinforces stereotypes or contributes to oppression and doesn't respect their original meaning or give credit to their source. It also includes the unauthorized use of parts of their culture (their dress, dance, etc.) without permission. I await Patanjali to serve papers that us…

“doesn't respect their original meaning or give credit to their source.” See I can pick parts of a random definition off google the same way you do. Have you heard of “beer yoga”? Or “goat yoga”? It’s the very definition of disrespectful of the original meaning etc. I’m guessing not, but feel free to be entitled to your opinion, it’s a free country after all

> See I can pick parts of a random definition off google the same way you do.

I shared the whole definition I found from the first result returned to me[1], and I didn't use Google. If you have a better definition then I would suggest that a better response would've been to share it instead of falsely accusing others of mistakes only you have made.

[1] https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-cultural-appropriation-...

Re: 5-min breathing workout lowers blood pressure as much as exercise, drugs (2021)

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Post by mosiuerbarso »

codenlearn wrote: post #83
thenerdhead wrote: post #73

After reading Wim Hof and James Nestor a couple years ago during the pandemic, I used their techniques in full while battling long Covid. I had a blood pressure monitor and pulse oximeter on my bedside table that I would experiment with doing these various techniques and seeing my heart rate go down, my blood pressure go down, my anxiety would disappear, lung/chest inflammation would settle, and even oxygen levels in…

wim-hof is a life saver. I used during my covid battle as well. I had this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tybOi4hjZFQ on loop when I was suffering with covid

Thanks for this. My pensioner mother came back from the doctors yesterday with a chest infection, on top of this she has mild bronchitis. I've just sent her this exercises as I'm hoping it might improve her lung health. Although i did send her this one which is a bit easier: https://youtu.be/0BNejY1e9ik But thanks for posting it, I never knew about this method. Just tried it myself and it rocks.

Re: 5-min breathing workout lowers blood pressure as much as exercise, drugs (2021)

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Post by brigandish »

lenkite wrote: post #134
brigandish wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the first definition I found: > Cultural appropriation refers to the use of objects or elements of a non-dominant culture in a way that reinforces stereotypes or contributes to oppression and doesn't respect their original meaning or give credit to their source. It also includes the unauthorized use of parts of their culture (their dress, dance, etc.) without permission. I await Patanjali to serve papers that us…

It's not really cultural appropriation. It's simply false appropriation. Claiming another's works as your own fancy innovation. Claiming another's achievement as yours with no original attribution. This gets you banned in academics.

I wasn't aware that either Hof or Nestor were academics so I'm not sure how it's relevant.

As to the accusation that they've stolen an idea, someone should outline their accusation explicitly and then, far more importantly, explain why I should care. As I've pointed out, Patanjali wouldn't (or you can point out why he would, that would be interesting).

Re: 5-min breathing workout lowers blood pressure as much as exercise, drugs (2021)

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Post by tarsinge »

thenerdhead wrote: post #73

After reading Wim Hof and James Nestor a couple years ago during the pandemic, I used their techniques in full while battling long Covid. I had a blood pressure monitor and pulse oximeter on my bedside table that I would experiment with doing these various techniques and seeing my heart rate go down, my blood pressure go down, my anxiety would disappear, lung/chest inflammation would settle, and even oxygen levels in…

The article is about IMST, which is strictly about muscle strengthening. This is maybe a side effect of the Wim Hoff Method, but the WHM also has other purposes because the main mechanism is hyper ventilation and breath holding. Here is good medical explanation of what happens when practicing the WMH (by a medical professional): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6EPuUdIC1E (summary at 33:46).

Re: 5-min breathing workout lowers blood pressure as much as exercise, drugs (2021)

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Post by throwaway_1928 »

brigandish wrote: post #138
throwaway_1928 wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It absolutely matters. If Jeff Bezos says he has invented a new operating system and upon a little digging it is discovered that he just tweaked and renamed Linux, then he should and will be called out, and it will hurt his reputation. The problem is not with using knowledge to your benefit, that is why it is there. The problem is with plagiarism, misrepresentation and intellectual dishonesty.

Linux has a licence and relies on copyright law. If yogic breathing techniques did have a licence, the best you could hope for would be an MIT/BSD licence. I don't see how that advances your view.

You're missing the point.

Even if Linux were not subject to a license, a person claiming to have invented an operating system who in reality simply forked Linux without giving appropriate credit would be considered a plagiarist.

And to expect a sagacious progenitor of a millennia-old practice like Pranayama to have considered modern-day legal protections is absurd.

Re: 5-min breathing workout lowers blood pressure as much as exercise, drugs (2021)

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Post by brigandish »

mysterypie wrote: post #106

> not necessarily meant to replace exercise I'm hoping someone can answer a question to which I've never heard a really satisfactory answer: Why does human health benefit from exercise whereas any kind of simple machine wears out with exercise? For example, doing a hundred stretches per day improves my health whereas stretching an elastic band 100 times per day will cause it to lose elasticity and soon destroy it. So…

If you have a simple machine that wears out then someone will be along to fix it, if it's of any use to do so and you have the budget. The body uses the same idea.

Re: 5-min breathing workout lowers blood pressure as much as exercise, drugs (2021)

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Post by kanzenryu2 »

mysterypie wrote: post #106

> not necessarily meant to replace exercise I'm hoping someone can answer a question to which I've never heard a really satisfactory answer: Why does human health benefit from exercise whereas any kind of simple machine wears out with exercise? For example, doing a hundred stretches per day improves my health whereas stretching an elastic band 100 times per day will cause it to lose elasticity and soon destroy it. So…

Exercise is bad for your body. Recovery from exercise is very good.

Re: 5-min breathing workout lowers blood pressure as much as exercise, drugs (2021)

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Post by bennysomething »

throwaway_1928 wrote: post #131
brigandish wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't matter one iota if someone claims it as their own, what matters is the benefit it brings. Do you think Patanjali (or whomever) would be protective of their techniques and trademark it, patent it, and extract wealth for it? If they don't care then neither should anyone else, and perhaps this will help the techniques spread further, which I'm sure Patanjali et al again, would not be against.

It absolutely matters. If Jeff Bezos says he has invented a new operating system and upon a little digging it is discovered that he just tweaked and renamed Linux, then he should and will be called out, and it will hurt his reputation. The problem is not with using knowledge to your benefit, that is why it is there. The problem is with plagiarism, misrepresentation and intellectual dishonesty.

So you are certain that you know who invented this and that it was "appropriated"?

(Whatever appropriated means)

Re: 5-min breathing workout lowers blood pressure as much as exercise, drugs (2021)

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Post by Camillo »

himyogi wrote: post #113
thenerdhead wrote: post #73

After reading Wim Hof and James Nestor a couple years ago during the pandemic, I used their techniques in full while battling long Covid. I had a blood pressure monitor and pulse oximeter on my bedside table that I would experiment with doing these various techniques and seeing my heart rate go down, my blood pressure go down, my anxiety would disappear, lung/chest inflammation would settle, and even oxygen levels in…

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> Anyhow it is typical of westerners to co-opt open source eastern techniques to commercialise and pass as their invention. Same as Amazon taking open source and turning it into yet another AWS service. > Greed & ego - pure and simple.

Perhaps, but consider: in a sibling comment, codenlearn posted a link to Wim Hof's video, I watched it, and did ten minutes of breathing exercise. He shared some knowledge (open source spirit), it was free (no commercialization), and I would not even remember his username if I hadn't copied it for the sake of this comment (no ego).

I learned more from his comment than I did from yours. You could have shared a better guide, some resource to learn about the original practices, but you didn't. Instead your comment focused exclusively on your offense at the lack of recognition for you(r in-group). What is that if not ego? Group narcissism is still narcissism.

Re: 5-min breathing workout lowers blood pressure as much as exercise, drugs (2021)

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Post by throwaway_1928 »

Camillo wrote: post #149
himyogi wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> Anyhow it is typical of westerners to co-opt open source eastern techniques to commercialise and pass as their invention. Same as Amazon taking open source and turning it into yet another AWS service. > Greed & ego - pure and simple. Perhaps, but consider: in a sibling comment, codenlearn posted a link to Wim Hof's video, I watched it, and did ten minutes of breathing exercise. He shared some knowledge (open source…

Here is one resource to learn the original practice:

in Hindi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rsaiwudWOI

same instructor, with English voiceover: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdCmB8Tnvmw

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