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Re: Dall-E 2

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Post by idleproc »

KevinGlass wrote: post #26

Something about this makes me nauseous. Perhaps is the fact that soon the market value for creatives is going to fall to a hair about zero for all but the most famous. We will be all the poorer for it when 95% of images you see are AI generated. There will be niches of course but in a few short years it'll be over for a huge swathe of creative professionals who are already struggling. Some of the images also hit me w…

I imagine it will affect artists much the same way wordpress has affected web designers.

Maybe everyone will have an AI image as their desktop wallpaper, but if you've got cash you'll want something with provenance and rarity to brag about.

Also, I think creatives are valued for their imagination. If you wanted something decent, would you pay someone to sift through a million AI generated images to find a gem, or just pay an artist you like to create one for you?

Re: Dall-E 2

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Post by typon »

KevinGlass wrote: post #26

Something about this makes me nauseous. Perhaps is the fact that soon the market value for creatives is going to fall to a hair about zero for all but the most famous. We will be all the poorer for it when 95% of images you see are AI generated. There will be niches of course but in a few short years it'll be over for a huge swathe of creative professionals who are already struggling. Some of the images also hit me w…

I paid $1500 for a commissioned painting from an artist I respect and follow as a birthday present for a friend. The painting meant something to me because I worked with the artist to have some input about what kind of a person my friend is, what kind of features I want to see in the painting and how I want it to feel. The artist gave me 5 different sketches and we had tons of back and forth. The process and the act of creating the painting on a canvas from someone I respect is what I paid for.

Even if an AI could generate an exactly equivalent painting, I would pay $0 for it. It wouldn't mean anything to me.

Re: Dall-E 2

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Post by andybak »

recuter wrote: post #123
Imnimo wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is actual image generation - the 'decoder' takes as input a latent code (representing the encoding of the text query), and synthesizes an image. It's not compositing or querying a reference library. The only time that real images enter the process is during training - after that, it's just the network weights.

It is compositing as final step. I understand that the Kuala it is compositing may have been a previously un-existent Kuala that it synthesized from a library of previously tagged Kuala images... that's cool, but what is the difference really from just plucking one of the pre-existing Kualas into the scene? The difference is just that it makes the compositing easier. If you don't have a pre-existing image that would…

> It is compositing as final step.

I might be misinterpeting your use of "compositing" here (and my own technical knowledge is fairly shallow) but I don't think there's any compositing of elements generally in AI image generation. (unless Dall-E 2 changes this. I haven't read the paper yet)

Re: Dall-E 2

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Post by 0F »

pingeroo wrote: post #14
fbanon wrote: post #10

A friend of mine was studying graphic design, but became disillusioned and decided to switch to frontend programming after he graduated. His thesis advisor said he should be cautious, because automation/AI will soon take the jobs of programmers, implying that graphic design is a safer bet in this regard. Looks like his advisor is a few years from being proven horribly wrong.

I mean was he really wrong? As models like OpenAI Codex get more powerful over time, they will start eating into large chunks of dev work as well...

Literally everyone on this website is in denial. They all approach it by asking which fields will be safe. No field is safe. “But it’s not going to happen for a long time.” Climate deniers say the same thing and you think they should be wearing the dunce hat? The average person complains bitterly about climate deniers who say that it’s “my grandkids problem lol” but when I corner the average person into admitting AI is a problem the universal response is that it’s a long way off. And that’s not even true! The drooling idiots are willing to tear down billionaires and governments and any institution whatsoever in order to protect economic equality and a high standard of living — they would destroy entire industries like a rampaging stampede of belligerent buffalos if it meant reducing carbon emissions a little but when it comes to the biggest threat to human well-being in history, there they are in the corner hitting themselves on their helmeted head with an inflatable hammer. Fucking. Brilliant.

Re: Dall-E 2

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Post by bufferoverflow »

fbanon wrote: post #10

A friend of mine was studying graphic design, but became disillusioned and decided to switch to frontend programming after he graduated. His thesis advisor said he should be cautious, because automation/AI will soon take the jobs of programmers, implying that graphic design is a safer bet in this regard. Looks like his advisor is a few years from being proven horribly wrong.

If this paper presents this neural net fairly, it pretty much destroys the market of illustrators. Most of the time when an illustration needed, it's described like "an astronaut on a horse in the style xyz".

Re: Dall-E 2

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Post by warning26 »

jonahx wrote: post #6
andybak wrote: post #3

Preventing Harmful Generations We’ve limited the ability for DALL·E 2 to generate violent, hate, or adult images. By removing the most explicit content from the training data, we minimized DALL·E 2’s exposure to these concepts. We also used advanced techniques to prevent photorealistic generations of real individuals’ faces, including those of public figures. "And we've also closed off a huge range of potentially int…

I've been on HN for years and I still can't figure out how to format text as a quote I don't think there is a way comparable to markdown, since the formatting options are limited: https://news.ycombinator.com/formatdoc So your options are literal quotes, "code" formatting like you've done, italics like I've done, or the '>' convention, but that doesn't actually apply formatting. Would be nice if it were added.

> or the '>' convention, but that doesn't actually apply formatting

Personally, I prefer to combine the '>' convention with italics. Still, I'd agree that proper quote formatting would be a welcome improvement.

Re: Dall-E 2

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Post by andybak »

6gvONxR4sf7o wrote: post #100
jonahx wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been on HN for years and I still can't figure out how to format text as a quote I don't think there is a way comparable to markdown, since the formatting options are limited: https://news.ycombinator.com/formatdoc So your options are literal quotes, "code" formatting like you've done, italics like I've done, or the '>' convention, but that doesn't actually apply formatting. Would be nice if it were added.

And the "code" formatting for quotes is generally a bad choice because people read on a variety of screen sizes, and "code" formatting can screw that up (try reading the quote with a really narrow window).

I couldn't get any of the others work and I lost patience. I really do disline using Markdown variants as they never behave the same and "being surprised" is not really what I want when trying to post a comment.

Re: Dall-E 2

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Post by minimaxir »

turdnagel wrote: post #131

I'm genuinely curious to hear Sam Altman's (and/or the OpenAI team's) perspective on why these products need to be waitlisted. If it's a compute issue, why not build a queuing system? If it's something else (safety related? hype related?) I'd love to understand the thinking behind the decision. More often than not, I sign up for waitlists for things like this and either (1) never get in to the beta or (2) forget abou…

For GPT-3 it was a combination of both compute and safety. Given the notes in the System Card (https://github.com/openai/dalle-2-preview/blob/main/system-c... ), OpenAI is likely doubling-down on safety here.

Re: Dall-E 2

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Post by throwaway71271 »

jupp0r wrote: post #83
Applejinx wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not exactly. All the ideas put forth in these demos are really arbitrary, with nothing whatsoever to say. Generating crap art becomes more and more effortless: we've seen this in music as well. Jumping out of the conceptual box to generate novel PURPOSE is not the domain of a Dall-E 2. You've still gotta ask it for things. It's a paintbrush. Without a coherent story, it's an increasingly impressive stunt (or a form o…

This reminds me of an art class in high school in the early 2000s where I handed in a printout of a 3d generated image (painstakingly modeled and rendered in software over the whole weekend by me) and the teacher looked at me and told me that's not art because it's "computer generated" and I didn't "even use my hands" to make it. Even as a teenager, the idea that art is defined by how it's made versus it being a way…

'art' comes from 'artem' which means 'skill', which is the root of 'artificial' (https://www.etymonline.com/word/art and https://www.etymonline.com/word/artificial)

your teacher was wrong

i had a friend who didnt get credit for his design work because he used photoshop instead of using pen and paper for similar reason, i still find it amazing that a teacher would say such a thing

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