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What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by gigaflop »

dmitrybrant wrote: post #131
gigaflop wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This reminds me of Windows Search Indexer on my PC. Microsoft's spying aside, it apparently needs 13.5% or more of my CPU at all times. It started after I updated multiple time sin a row, and for the past few weeks, has never stopped. I've killed it via task manager, only to have it come back shortly after.

One of my first tasks after a clean install of Windows is to disable any unnecessary services, including the Search Indexer. Not only do I disable the service itself, but I also explicitly remove all folders from the "indexed locations" control panel, and explicitly disable the "Allow files to be indexed" bit on the disk itself. I've literally never needed to search my disk for a file (using the Windows search interf…

My PC had been fine before the updates (hence not updating until I needed some other thing to work), and I'd never seen Search Indexer pop up in Task Manager in any notable way. something tells me that I might just have a broken version of it, and since Windows Update also looks to be a bit broken, I may just be SOL for the near future.

This set of problems may be obviated by actually getting Manjaro to cooperate. It's on the todo list.

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by patentatt »

dmitrybrant wrote: post #131
gigaflop wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This reminds me of Windows Search Indexer on my PC. Microsoft's spying aside, it apparently needs 13.5% or more of my CPU at all times. It started after I updated multiple time sin a row, and for the past few weeks, has never stopped. I've killed it via task manager, only to have it come back shortly after.

One of my first tasks after a clean install of Windows is to disable any unnecessary services, including the Search Indexer. Not only do I disable the service itself, but I also explicitly remove all folders from the "indexed locations" control panel, and explicitly disable the "Allow files to be indexed" bit on the disk itself. I've literally never needed to search my disk for a file (using the Windows search interf…

It would be acceptable if windows search worked well and was fast -- but it's not. I search for something and it still churns the file system looking for my search query. What is the point of all that indexing if it still seems to always traverse the fs for each search!? By comparison, a third party search application [1] gives me results as soon as my key lifts and doesn't excessively index (at least for me). [1] https://www.voidtools.com/

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by fer »

pstoll wrote: post #139
fer wrote: post #107

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Yes, the Russian proverb. It's even better in Russian: доверяй, но проверяй, doveryay no proveryay It's better because it displays both words are semantically related. In fact, "verify" is cognate with their root, vera/veryat', probably a common Indoeuropean root but I'm too lazy to verify (pun intended).

Interesting - so more like “verity but verify”. Very cool.

"rest/be assured but ensure" is how I would keep the semantics wordplay, but obviously there's always something lost in translation.

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by AshamedCaptain »

rglullis wrote: post #137
asciimov wrote: post #134

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It's not the battery life that's the issue on Laptops these days, as it is typically better than windows. The biggest issue is getting all the hardware supported out of the box. For example, there is a certain amount of mucking about you have to do to get any off the shelf laptop running Linux. On rare occasion system updates change something that the laptop doesn't like, hunting down that change can become tedious.

The solution for that is easy: don't buy the absolute-latest-generation of any hardware. I've owned Samsung laptops, HP laptops, Thinkpads. I've built my own work desktops. I've never had any issues, as long as the hardware is ~6 months out on the market. That's about the time it takes for linux devs to catch up with companies that focus on windows drivers.

That's useless advice. Even Webcams from laptops as older as 6 years may still not work under Linux. Anything which has an Intel webcam for example is almost guaranteed not to work, outside of perhaps a couple of popular models (like MS Surface devices, and then not precisely "out of the box").

The rule still is to get either a Linux-supported or at least a Linux-popular laptop, even if it's more expensive or doesn't match all your features/requirements. Then it doesn't matter whether it's 6 years old or brand new. It will work.

i.e. it's more important for it to be Lenovo and the correct line than the age. But not all Lenovo are equal. T/P stuff is likely supported out of the box even if brand new. X depends on popularity of the model. Tablets/IdeaPad stuff.... look elsewhere. (Lenovo is just an example, leaving other brands for the reader).

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by rglullis »

rrdharan wrote: post #140
rglullis wrote: post #133

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Does it really matter?! Are you really that careless with your privacy and your basic freedoms to the point that you make your choices based on the ~battery life~ of your computing device? Sorry to pick on you, but whenever I hear these sorts of questions I realize how shallow people can be, even those who are (supposedly) informed and smart enough to know better. To be worried about the inconvenience of ~shorter bat…

1. The marshmallow test has been debunked (just like so many other flashy claims in the social sciences field, the science is questionable and the replication crisis is very real). So using it in a rant about how uninformed people are is itself a laughable irony. 2. Many of us simply do not agree that the use of an Apple computing device impinges on either our privacy or basic freedoms, or (more nuanced) that the mar…

1. It doesn't matter if the effects of the marshmallow test are true or not. The idea is just to illustrate how tech people are as weak-willed, short-term focused and plain "convenience-at-all-costs" as the general consumers.

2. There is no argument here: if you can not control what and how your device operates, your freedom is being taken. You can argue that you don't value this freedom over the convenience it brings you, but this is at best an admission of you being on (1).

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by _Algernon_ »

AussieWog93 wrote: post #11
sdfjkl wrote: post #6

Open source is where you don't have to apply guesswork to find out what a suspicious looking piece of software is doing on your computer.

Nope, instead you have to apply guesswork to figure out why an apt-get call accidentally uninstalled your desktop environment. :P

You only have to guess if you ignore the obvious warning and type "Yes, do as I say" indiscriminately.

I think that's fair.

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by jtbayly »

sneak wrote: post #86
jtbayly wrote: post #82

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Do you have any evidence this is what’s happening? Why should I trust your declarations?

https://web.archive.org/web/20210903214920/https://www.apple... (linked from the above-linked wikipedia article as citation for the clientside scanning feature documentation on wikipedia) https://web.archive.org/web/20210903214920/https://www.apple... Apple said they were doing it. Apple never subsequently said they were not doing it. (They did say some things that implied that they MIGHT not do it, designed to make…

So far you haven't given any evidence of what you claim, which is that this app is Apple implementing their client-side CSAM detection scheme and silently and secretly including it in Mac OS.

No evidence at all.

So I reiterate: Why should I believe you?

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by gotaquestion »

koprulusector wrote: post #93

>Over the last year or so Mac users have run into problems that appear related to a background service named triald. Some report it stealing huge amounts of CPU, others associate it with various glitches, and a few have noticed gigabytes of disk space apparently being taken up by its folder at ~/Library/Trial, and in their Time Machine backups. This article explains as much as I know about this mysterious new service…

> It’s your machine, but the inner workings are this ineffable mystery.

At some point, every machine's software becomes an ineffable mystery. Do you know what is going on in all your 3rd-party Linux drivers, say, from NVIDIA?

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by SamuelAdams »

sneak wrote: post #76
dannyw wrote: post #5

Remember when operating systems didn't have multi-gigabyte binary blobs performing cryptic actions with an extremely chatty online connection?

With Little Snitch (and thorough abandonment of iCloud, iMessage, Siri, FaceTime, and the App Store) you can have this once again. There are about 30 Apple processes to which you need to deny all network access. Then a Mac is relatively quiet. (By default Apple stuff is whitelisted in Little Snitch, you have to go and manually uncheck built-in allow rules.) Apple built something called the ContentFilterExclusionList…

I just put this list in /etc/hosts. Seems to work well enough. I don’t use any apple services on my Mac. This will probably break those.

https://github.com/adversarialtools/apple-telemetry

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by bmn__ »

fer wrote: post #107
smcn wrote: post #56

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What's the phrase? "Trust but verify"?

Yes, the Russian proverb. It's even better in Russian: доверяй, но проверяй, doveryay no proveryay It's better because it displays both words are semantically related. In fact, "verify" is cognate with their root, vera/veryat', probably a common Indoeuropean root but I'm too lazy to verify (pun intended).

You spoke true.

https://www.etymonline.com/word/%2awere-o-

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