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Re: MDN Plus

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Post by Melatonic »

lesuorac wrote: post #93
paxys wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The person you replied to was specific as well. Execs are paid well industry wide. If you aren't willing to pay market rates then you aren't going to get competent leadership to manage organizations at that scale.

Ah yes, FireFox's issue is they're paying Execs below market rate. If they want to get better market share they should start paying more! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers#Ol... --- Afaik people's main issues with the exec salary is their poor performance. Why pay "market rate" for "below market performance"?

I agree with that but I see 90% of the time people just complaining about the high salaries. As much as those salaries may seem ridiculous the Bay Area is a very competitive place and I do not see many competent execs taking a massive downgrade in compensation just because they may believe in Firefox on principal.

That being said poor performance is for sure something to criticize on - although to be fair we are talking about competing with some of the largest and most entrenched companies on earth - not an easy job.

Re: MDN Plus

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Post by nialv7 »

danShumway wrote: post #65
reitanqild wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't say that I think but I am tempted to pay anyway. The big question is: Does the money go to Firefox or to funny projects and (what I consider) insane exec salaries?

Hopefully it goes to MDN. I do wish there was a way to fund Firefox directly, but I hope that MDN plus resources are for MDN, not Firefox.

Mozilla laid off most of the MDN team in 2020 [1], then shifted the responsibility of updating MDN from Mozilla to the community [2], then created the Open Web Docs organization to take over the job of funding MDN [3].

And _now_ they come asking us to pay for MDN? I am not optimistic about this.

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24132494 [2]: https://hacks.mozilla.org/2020/12/welcome-yari-mdn-web-docs-... [3]: https://hacks.mozilla.org/2021/01/welcoming-open-web-docs-to...

Re: MDN Plus

#143

Post by greatgib »

Remember when the stated goal of the shit load of money they got was to open knowledge to everyone?

Now they will do whatever to be a business!

Re: MDN Plus

#144

Post by boomboomsubban »

dorfsmay wrote: post #131
paxys wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The person you replied to was specific as well. Execs are paid well industry wide. If you aren't willing to pay market rates then you aren't going to get competent leadership to manage organizations at that scale.

But Mozilla's revenue and market share went down since the drastic increase in execs' pay. Would that be acceptable in a for-profit company? The usual counter argument in this type of discussions is that it's Google's fault, because they changed their sponsorship, and there's nothing the execs could do. And then the counter to that is why pay big salaries if there's nothing they can do about revenues. Back to square…

>Would that be acceptable in a for-profit company?

If their revenue went way up, absolutely. Which is what happened when the executives got more money.

Re: MDN Plus

#145

Post by 999900000999 »

Why does everything need to be a subscription.

Sell me a product, like a JavaScript book or some merch.

Or just put up the donation link. I do want to give y'all money, but a recurring subscription is too much.

Re: MDN Plus

#146

Post by MaxLeiter »

dfabulich wrote: post #84

The only good offering here is available as part of the $10/month "Supporter" plan, a "direct feedback channel to the MDN team." The video describes that as "regular chats with MDN engineers." Shockingly, this isn't even listed as a featured bullet on the plan list. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/plus#subscribe The only bulleted advantages of paying $10/month are, "Early access to new features" and "Pride and jo…

I can imagine notifications being useful if you’re waiting for a browser to add a feature or something

Re: MDN Plus

#147

Post by quesera »

Darmody wrote: post #112

I wish they put some effort into making Firefox better. To me, lately Firefox has been a pain in the ass to use. Regular silent updates that forces me to restart the browser and close all my work. Saving my session doesn't always help to continue working where it was interrupted. The latest change to the downloads is horrible. Sometimes my work requires me to download hundreds of files that I only want to open with s…

> The latest change to the downloads is horrible.

  about:config
  browser.download.improvements_to_download_panel false
...will revert to the old behaviour.

Re: MDN Plus

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Post by codazoda »

Sailing is a long-time dream that I probably won't be able to realize in my lifetime. But, if I did ever go sailing, I would need something like parts of MDN downloaded. Doing computer work is what I love and I'm sure it's what I would use my spare time for. Clearly this has usefulness far beyond that niche case, but I love the idea that Mozilla has found a really useful thing to charge for. I hope that they can be successful with it.

Re: MDN Plus

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Post by akvadrako »

999900000999 wrote: post #145

Why does everything need to be a subscription. Sell me a product, like a JavaScript book or some merch. Or just put up the donation link. I do want to give y'all money, but a recurring subscription is too much.

Yeah, automatic subscriptions are terrible. What if you stop using it for a few months or years? Do you un and re subscribe each time? You'll need a spreadsheet to keep track of all these things.

A lifetime subscription for a few hundred bucks seems like it would make more sense. Or paying per use, like a cent per page. Easier for accounting and for peace of mind.

Re: MDN Plus

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Post by danShumway »

nialv7 wrote: post #142
danShumway wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hopefully it goes to MDN. I do wish there was a way to fund Firefox directly, but I hope that MDN plus resources are for MDN, not Firefox.

Mozilla laid off most of the MDN team in 2020 [1], then shifted the responsibility of updating MDN from Mozilla to the community [2], then created the Open Web Docs organization to take over the job of funding MDN [3]. And _now_ they come asking us to pay for MDN? I am not optimistic about this. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24132494 [2]: https://hacks.mozilla.org/2020/12/welcome-yari-mdn-web-docs-... [3]…

I already replied to this kind of logic elsewhere (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30793257), but I don't see the logic of looking at Mozilla cutting support for a program then introducing a way to fund that program, and responding to that by saying, "why should I fund something that's seeing cuts?"

Hopefully it goes to MDN. Nothing about the scenario you describe would be improved by funneling money from MDN to Firefox, that would make the problem worse. What I'd like is for Mozilla to introduce ways to fund Firefox directly, not for the money to come from a different critical web resource.

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