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The Latest Crime Wave: Sending Your Child to a Better School

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Re: The Latest Crime Wave: Sending Your Child to a Better School

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My state has a more rational state law. For more than twenty years now, all public schools anywhere in the state offer open enrollment to all students anywhere in the state, up to the limits of the capacity of each school district to receive students. http://education.state.mn.us/MDE/Academic_Excellence/School_... Funding of course is based on enrollment. http://www.house.leg.state.mn.us/hrd/pubs/mnschfin.pdf More st…

Very interesting. It's clear that Missouri (where I used to live) doesn't have open enrollment. A huge amount of resources are spent on ensuring students do NOT cross district lines. As a personal example, certain ESL students in my mother's class are visited at home very often to validate that they truly do live where they say they do. When schools have to serve students that they're not getting paid for, the incent…

I dont't want to generalize, but if there is one thing I have learned from my limited experience working in both a Title I HS district and a fairly affluent K-12 district is that these problems are very, very complex.

aik, Here's one example of a downside: Even relatively well-performing school districts can struggle when their student population starts moving to a new charter school in the area. Since many of the costs for education are fixed within a certain margin, it becomes difficult to shed costs to compensate for the lost funding for each student that left the district.

Re: The Latest Crime Wave: Sending Your Child to a Better School

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>Black and Hispanic students have shown no signs of valuing education and the schools usually plagued with violence. ALL of them? Almost certainly not. You're just being plain, old fashioned racist. You also sound ignorant and naive to claim to have never met a black or Hispanic student who shows a single sign of valuing education. Do you live in the Bay Area? If so, take a trip over to San Jose and visit some of the…

It doesn't have to be all of them. Just a few are enough to disturb the learning environment.

Just a few what? Black students? Disruptive students? Disruptive black students?

Re: The Latest Crime Wave: Sending Your Child to a Better School

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I won't assess whether you're correct or not, but want to point out that things in a melting pot don't diversify, they blend.

It's simply not a matter of your assessment. Canada's non-white population, at 16.2%, is less than the US 27.6%. I have spent a lot of time in both Canada and the US. I'm not just quoting the figures, although that should be enough to make my case. Canada is noticeably whiter.

> It's simply not a matter of your assessment. Canada's non-white population, at 16.2%, is less than the US 27.6%.

How are we defining "white"? I ask because Hispanics just passed Black as a percentage of the US population. Both are around 13%, which leads me to suspect that the 27% "non-white" doesn't include Hispanics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_Stat...

supports my theory.

Re: The Latest Crime Wave: Sending Your Child to a Better School

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The absolute numbers don't tell the whole story, and illustrate part of the difference between the U.S. and Canada on this. The Wikipedia article on Canada is horrible on one point: "Black" isn't a single minority group in Canada. We have people from the Caribbean and people from many different regions in Africa and, yes, like U.S. we also have descendants of black slaves (in sometimes surprising places). But while t…

> So, the 2.5% Canadian "black" population is a substantially more diverse population than the 12.6% U.S. "black" population, which is primarily descended from black slaves. Maybe half of the US black population is descended from slaves. The rest, which is about 6% (from your numbers) comes from the same places Canada gets its 2.5%. And then there are all of the different groups under the hispanic label.

The numbers do not support your assertion.

> Since the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965, an estimated total of 0.8 to 0.9 million Africans have immigrated to the United States, accounting for roughly 3.3% of total immigration to the United States during this period.[4] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_immigration_to_the_Unit...

At 0.9 million African immigrants, that's a bit less than 1/30th of the overall African American population in the U.S. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_Stat...).

> One of the more noted aspects of Black Canadian history is that while the majority of African Americans trace their presence in the United States through the history of slavery, the Black presence in Canada is rooted almost entirely in voluntary immigration.[17] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Canadians

I reiterate the original point: Canada is a substantially more diverse place than the U.S. in terms of places of origin, even though the U.S. has a larger percentage of visible minorities.

Re: The Latest Crime Wave: Sending Your Child to a Better School

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The answer is to stop funding schools locally. Until that's done, nothing we do education-wise matters.

You want the Federal government to fix the school system?

I want the federal government to fund the school system; I'm neutral towards federal standards, although we already have those in the form of NCLB.

The current system ensures that the people who need the most help get the least.

Re: The Latest Crime Wave: Sending Your Child to a Better School

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post #139

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> So, the 2.5% Canadian "black" population is a substantially more diverse population than the 12.6% U.S. "black" population, which is primarily descended from black slaves. Maybe half of the US black population is descended from slaves. The rest, which is about 6% (from your numbers) comes from the same places Canada gets its 2.5%. And then there are all of the different groups under the hispanic label.

The numbers do not support your assertion. > Since the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965, an estimated total of 0.8 to 0.9 million Africans have immigrated to the United States, accounting for roughly 3.3% of total immigration to the United States during this period.[4] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_immigration_to_the_Unit... At 0.9 million African immigrants, that's a bit less than 1/30th of the overa…

Africa isn't the only source of black people. Also, as your source points out, there were basically no controls on African immigration until the 1920s.

BTW, a significant number of fleeing slaves went to Canada....

Re: The Latest Crime Wave: Sending Your Child to a Better School

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His causality is off, way off. That's really the main issue. Both parents here have the same motivation, admirable enough, but one chooses to subscribe to an unreliable predictor for his decision making. A predictor that is toes a really fine line between statistical reliability and outright bigotry. In any case, we know that socioeconomic status is a far better predictor of educational success than race. There is a…

Motivation is not the same as delivering results. I might have the same high motivation to be an awesome games programmer, but that still doesn't mean I will be as good as Carmack. I don't fault LoveLinux for his viewpoints, as they are based on his observation; and he is trying to make the best decision for his kids... I think if what he/she had said, was said by Bill Cosby or George Lopez, we would be applauding th…

Yes, insiders to a group generally get more leeway to make broad declarations about the state of the group that outsiders aren't qualified to make.
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