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Re: Russian news channel RT to broadcast on Rumble after Big Tech curbs

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Post by keymone »

shabier wrote: post #140
keymone wrote: post #134

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it's war. just like north korea would launch missiles during war, they would block enemy propaganda during war. doing the same doesn't make you tyrannical dictatorship - it's just means of waging war. weird that i have to explain basics of logic to you. or maybe not weird at all..

I suppose everything is weird to a North Korea sympathizer. See, two can play this childish name-calling, accusation game.

What a dumb argument. North Korea also has hospitals. Are hospitals a sign of tyrannical dictatorship? Use your brain a little, for fucks sake.

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Post by tonfreed »

keymone wrote: post #67
coffeeblack wrote: post #3

Good. It’s important to be able to see all sides. Everybody with a brain will know to be very skeptical of any news source directly controlled by a government. Same is true for CGTN and other channels still on YT.

RT reported about ukrainian army crucifying a child in Donbas in 2014 which literally caused some people in Russia to volunteer as fighters and cross the border with intention to kill ukrainians. No, RT should be banned and every person working for it should be jailed for life. Freedom of speech is not freedom of inciting violence and hatred. Edit: here, educate yourself - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucified_boy

And a number of mainstream western outlets are trying to convince us to join the war by reporting on Russia's use of thermobaric weapons as if it was a warcrime.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2310098-what-are-thermo... https://au.news.yahoo.com/what-is-a-thermobaric-bomb-and-why...

The worst offenders don't even mention the US' extensive use of them, such as the CBU-72 in Vietnam.

There's a huge amount of propaganda going on right now, I don't trust any outlets to be telling me the truth.

Re: Russian news channel RT to broadcast on Rumble after Big Tech curbs

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Post by coffeeblack »

logicchains wrote: post #39
0xcoffee wrote: post #30

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In theory I agree with you, but it's not like silencing 'ideas and argument you disagree with' Look at this: https://www.rt.com/russia/551384-russia-ukraine-nuclear-fals... >“The SBU and the militants of the Azov Battalion are planning to blow up the reactor and accuse the Russian Armed Forces of allegedly launching a missile attack on the experimental nuclear facility,” This isn't a discussion in which people are ar…

Given that some of the Azov are literally Nazis ( https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/german-tv-s... ), that's hardly completely beyond the realms of possibility. Or we're supposed to start giving Nazis the benefit of the doubt now just because Russia started it?

Too many years of everybody and their grandma being called “literally Nazi”.

Re: Russian news channel RT to broadcast on Rumble after Big Tech curbs

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Post by shabier »

keymone wrote: post #141
shabier wrote: post #140

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I suppose everything is weird to a North Korea sympathizer. See, two can play this childish name-calling, accusation game.

What a dumb argument. North Korea also has hospitals. Are hospitals a sign of tyrannical dictatorship? Use your brain a little, for fucks sake.

I'm genuinely shocked that all of this goes straight over your head. I suppose that your desperate need for yes-men and sympathy lead you to pulling false equivalence out of thin air. Perhaps that also confirms the name-calling, it must be frustrating to you.

Re: Russian news channel RT to broadcast on Rumble after Big Tech curbs

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Post by shabier »

keymone wrote: post #112
shabier wrote: post #108

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> can't blame him for fog of war That's exactly what you should, though. Especially if you're in his position, where the smallest wimp is taken as fact. > And he didn't call for violence but for response from international community What exactly would you think the "response" would be if the nuclear plant was actually bombed? You don't have to be a geopolitical expert to know it is violence. > You seriously bringing…

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> And he didn't call for violence but for response from international community

> I would very much like international community to get involved and vaporize putin and entire russian army with entire government and elites.

You're a living contradiction, man.

Re: Russian news channel RT to broadcast on Rumble after Big Tech curbs

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Post by keymone »

caeril wrote: post #131
keymone wrote: post #101

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Zelensky was talking about an attack that happened within hours of his message, can't blame him for fog of war. And he didn't call for violence but for response from international community, which frankly he has every right to do when fascist invaders are taking over major nuclear power plants in your country, don't you think? You seriously bringing up that example in contrast to russian propaganda machine weaponisin…

> fascist invaders Given Putin's ties with Israel and the enormous Nazi problem in Ukraine, it seems that describing the invasion as "fascist" is really skirting the line of absurdity.

there is no "enormous nazi problem in ukraine", that is literally russian propaganda. there is much larger nazi problem in russia in fact, from existence of radical far-right groups all the way up to concentration camps for gays in Chechnya. i suggest you re-evaluate your sources.

russian invasion can't be called anything other than fascist - military glorious leader annexing a chunk of neighbour's territory under justification that people there are compatriots that need saving. you can't make that shit up.

Re: Russian news channel RT to broadcast on Rumble after Big Tech curbs

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Post by keymone »

shabier wrote: post #146
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> And he didn't call for violence but for response from international community > I would very much like international community to get involved and vaporize putin and entire russian army with entire government and elites. You're a living contradiction, man.

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Post by keymone »

shabier wrote: post #143
keymone wrote: post #138

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> I'm no authority to classify or confirm whether RT is a "government propaganda vehicle".

russian war shill, go fuck yourself.

Re: Russian news channel RT to broadcast on Rumble after Big Tech curbs

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Post by Gareth321 »

lm28469 wrote: post #88
Gareth321 wrote: post #25

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“When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you're only telling the world that you fear what he might say.” Easily my favourite George R. R. Martin quote. We discovered why free speech is important during the 17th century in the Enlightenment period. The scientific method itself owes its existence to free speech, and the ability for any person to disagree with any other person, regardless of th…

Free speech has never been absolute. RT is a state owned propaganda organ, disinformation doesn't contribute to free speech. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

I did not argue that free speech is absolute. Merely that we should be free to try to convince each other of our premise. Even if you really, really, really don't like the other guy. Especially then.

I caution you to so casually frame RT as an example of the paradox of tolerance. The byline makes it clear that this paradox was created and applied to situations where the tolerated eventually seized authoritarian power to silence the tolerant. RT, and as you rightly describe, Russia, has no hope of invading the U.S. and seizing this power. It's just Russia spouting Russian propaganda. Either you trust your citizens to freely exchange ideas - even those you really, really really, don't like - or you don't. I'm getting the feeling that you don't.

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