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Re: Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks

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Post by travisgriggs »

parkingrift wrote: post #82
itsoktocry wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> a significant proportion of the Russian population believe the Ukranian deaths are due to Ukranians just killing themselves. This sounds like Western meta-propaganda. Russia isn't some mysterious other-world filled with low IQ people. Are we really to believe that swaths of their population believes the Ukranians are merely offing themselves during an invasion? Is there anything we can read that points to this, eve…

A significant proportion of Americans believe the 2020 election was fraudulently stolen. And that’s with free press in America. Not at all hard to believe that a significant proportion of Russian people believe this lie.

Segue here. I think it is time to rethink the term “free press”. In much the same way we had to wrestle with “free software.” Was it free as in beer? Or free as in speech?

The internet press is more “free as in beer” than ever. It costs nothing. It is probably about as “free as in speech” as it ever was, the variety is a testament to that. But it is not free from influence. It is tied to a profit feedback motive more than it ever has been. Put words on a screen, optimize for profit yield. Until the “press” regains its freedom from this, it will not be free. It will be profit constrained.

In a similar vein, I think it is silly we have social media. It’s profit media more than it is social.

Re: Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks

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Post by secondcoming »

coward-guy wrote: post #138
lovelyviking wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Are we really to believe that swaths of their population believes the Ukranians are merely offing themselves during an invasion? This is exactly what they believe. More then that , they are told that some of Ukrainians are “nazis” who kill ‘normal’ Ukrainians. They’ve been told that all horrible bombing scenes the world is witnessing are done not by rus. invader but by by those “nazis” Ukrainians. They are truly be…

Unfortunately, Russian propaganda is based of facts which are hard to dispute: * Right Sector - Ukrainian nationalist neo-nazi political party in Ukrainian parliamentary * Azov Detachment - neo-Nazi unit of the National Guard of Ukraine, who participated in wars in Donbass * Lots of streets are named after Stepan Bandera, for example Stepan Bandera Avenue in Kyiv, who was a leader of Ukrainian ultranationalists and c…

Very convenient facts. Eastern Europe is full of far-right, even Russia itself. This invasion would have happened regardless of any Nazi presence in Ukraine

Re: Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks

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Post by School-Cotton »

shaky-carrousel wrote: post #99
itsoktocry wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> a significant proportion of the Russian population believe the Ukranian deaths are due to Ukranians just killing themselves. This sounds like Western meta-propaganda. Russia isn't some mysterious other-world filled with low IQ people. Are we really to believe that swaths of their population believes the Ukranians are merely offing themselves during an invasion? Is there anything we can read that points to this, eve…

> Russia isn't some mysterious other-world filled with low IQ people. Neither is the US. But you and me have seen during this pandemic, to people able to reason that pneumonia can kill, and covid can cause pneumonia, but unable to reason that covid can kill. Propaganda is like that. You only have to take a look at what sects do to people to see the kind of gymnastics people can do in their reasoning because propagand…

I have never met anyone who doesn’t believe Covid can kill.

Usually, it’s a strawman. People in favor of lockdowns, masks, and similar interventions ridicule those who aren’t by falsely claiming they “don’t believe in Covid”.

Whether it’s worth accepting X amount of suffering to increase average life expectancy by Y years depends on the values of X and Y. If someone argues it’s not worth it in a particular case, that doesn’t necessarily mean they think Y is zero.

Re: Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks

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Post by Etherlord87 »

lovelyviking wrote: post #106
jug wrote: post #78

Yandex going belly up would certainly send a message to Russia Like Google Search going out in the western world

send message and then what? the propaganda there would tell that west is using any chance to put russia down and here is another example. People in the west are too naive to realise that in russia no body asks what people think. The level of propaganda is so strong that people would believe whatever they are told. The idiocy of those in the west who think that russians can decide something once they face sanctions is…

As someone who is poorly informed on the subject, I already learned to not make such definitive statements. Before russian invasion I heard a lot of opinions that Russia will not attack Ukraine, as it makes no logical sense or because true invasions are surprise attacks, and yet the reality verified this kind of thinking.

Now we hear how sanctions will not change russian opinions, but it seems these already started to change, as some cracks appear: some politicians speak against war, some oligarchs criticize putin, some Russians are also migrating to Finland [1], as well as a protest started in Nizhnekamsk [2].

This is not to say that you're entirely wrong, it indeed is very hard to convince someone as heavily indoctrinated as russian nation, but I think it is possible.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pHglSTvgbI [2] https://twitter.com/ilya_shepelin/status/1500073553055657986...

Re: Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks

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Post by itsoktocry »

emptysongglass wrote: post #94
itsoktocry wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The army isn't that strong obviously... I agree with some of your points, but what do you mean by "strong"? Ukraine is not a cake walk, and the most powerful armies in the world could barely contain poor Afghani warlords. This is not easy. Consider that much of the news of Russian failure is an information op. The Ukrainians are putting up a valiant fight, but the Russians will run them over without support, no dou…

No doubt about it? That's just as much an "information op" as the other side you claim. This war is far from decided and making such baseless claims as Russia steamrolling Ukraine because you've heard somewhere of Russia's fearsome military is irresponsible at best.

>No doubt about it? That's just as much an "information op" as the other side you claim.

I guess we'll see, and revisit this comment in the future. Personally, I find it funny that people like yourself don't believe the Russian military is superior to that of the Ukraine after watching a week of YouTube videos.

>heard somewhere of Russia's fearsome military is irresponsible at best.

Irresponsible? Lol get a hold of yourself.

Re: Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks

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Post by itsoktocry »

parkingrift wrote: post #111
itsoktocry wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A significant proportion of Americans believe the 2020 election was fraudulently stolen. Are you actually claiming that the scale of absurdity between believing election fraud (something members of both parties claim, every losing election, going back decades[1]) and that Ukrainians are killing themselves, en masse, are remotely the same? 1. Here's Hilary Clinton continuing to make claims about 2016 in mainstream m…

Straw man. I said no such thing. Please respond to the text I actually wrote.

I literally quoted you, and responded to it. Here it is again:

"A significant proportion of Americans believe the 2020 election was fraudulently stolen. And that’s with free press in America. Not at all hard to believe that a significant proportion of Russian people believe this lie."

Believing in election fraud and believing that a population are coincidentally killing themselves during a military incursion are not remotely analogous.

Re: Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks

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Post by witrak »

coward-guy wrote: post #138
lovelyviking wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Are we really to believe that swaths of their population believes the Ukranians are merely offing themselves during an invasion? This is exactly what they believe. More then that , they are told that some of Ukrainians are “nazis” who kill ‘normal’ Ukrainians. They’ve been told that all horrible bombing scenes the world is witnessing are done not by rus. invader but by by those “nazis” Ukrainians. They are truly be…

Unfortunately, Russian propaganda is based of facts which are hard to dispute: * Right Sector - Ukrainian nationalist neo-nazi political party in Ukrainian parliamentary * Azov Detachment - neo-Nazi unit of the National Guard of Ukraine, who participated in wars in Donbass * Lots of streets are named after Stepan Bandera, for example Stepan Bandera Avenue in Kyiv, who was a leader of Ukrainian ultranationalists and c…

Such arguments seem to be rather strange. How would you react to similar propaganda about temporary Americans based on the number of monuments of South generals and politicians from the Civil War period? They still weren't removed everywhere in the USA.

Does it give credibility to the allegation that there's still slavery in America?

Re: Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks

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Post by itsoktocry »

shaky-carrousel wrote: post #115
itsoktocry wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A significant proportion of Americans believe the 2020 election was fraudulently stolen. Are you actually claiming that the scale of absurdity between believing election fraud (something members of both parties claim, every losing election, going back decades[1]) and that Ukrainians are killing themselves, en masse, are remotely the same? 1. Here's Hilary Clinton continuing to make claims about 2016 in mainstream m…

Yes, they can be pretty much the same. There have been suicidal warriors in the past, it's not really that absurd. Propaganda could say they are killing themselves to make Russia look bad. I remember a very suspicious suicide in Argentina, and how some media were theorizing that he killed himself to make the government look bad.

>There have been suicidal warriors in the past, it's not really that absurd.

You believe that the Russians believe this about the Ukrainians? A people with whom they share much culture?

>Propaganda could say they are killing themselves to make Russia look bad.

Yeah, it could say anything. How about demonstrating it does say?

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