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YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by daenz »

godmode2019 wrote: post #102

I really don't know why people think elections are not rigged. In my opinion all elections are rigged, why on earth would you risk losing power to the whim of the 'unwashed'. Both parties are two sides of the same coin and go back and forth to give everyone the illusion of choice. But when people mass together and demand social change, BLM ect its allowed to happened only until it starts working, then the authorities…

In Kill All Others[0] (excellent), there was only one Party, but everyone must vote for it anyways, as a gesture of approval and submitting to the authority.

0. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6912900

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by hobs »

freedomben wrote: post #109
hobs wrote: post #83

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The difference is that with Bush you have hanging chads and a court decision that after the votes were counted would have probably come out differently, and a concerted political effort to turn that to their advantage. The republican party just literally spent months on questioning the election in places like Arizona with no evidence of any fraud, and there's plenty of documentation on how (almost always republican)…

I'm not trying to argue that it's a "he said, she said" thing, and as a matter of degrees, Trump is way worse. My main argument though is that humans (no matter which "side") are terrible at holding themselves to the same standard as they do other people, especially their opponents. For that reason I expect the rules to soften the next time the pendulum swings to the right.

That's very fair, and I am just noting that people like to "both sides" problems when as far as I can tell the democrats are fucked up and the republicans are actively acting as traitors to the nation.

I am not happy with either, but I don't really compare them in the same sentence.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by xdennis »

goostavos wrote: post #110
KaoruAoiShiho wrote: post #21

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Is anything other than blind nationalism what we're calling "propaganda"...? The west absolutely has a role in the current state of the world. I don't think it's propaganda to acknowledge to situation is messy, and far more complex than "Russia is bad guy. Everyone else: good guy with no wrong doings." If anything, I feel as though the propaganda is strongly flowing the other way. I'm blown away by how quickly popula…

Most of the states in eastern Europe have been victimized by the Russians. All the countries which aren't partially controlled by Russians have tried to join the west (EU, NATO) to protect themselves from Russians.

Countries which weren't enthusiastic enough about joining the west (Ukraine, Republic of Moldova, Georgia) are occupied by Russians.

Russians are the orcs. It is literally as simple as that.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by dj_mc_merlin »

KaoruAoiShiho wrote: post #21

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When it's what we believe in, it's factual information. When it's the other camp's opinion, it's propaganda and misinformation.

You can't claim to be able to distinguish truth from falsehood if what you believe to be true is chosen before you even have the chance to form a rational thought. You're just proving it after the fact.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by coldtea »

kemiller wrote: post #64
freedomben wrote: post #28

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For those of us who lived through the years of "selected not elected" it is a remarkable double standard. Or, being charitable, a remarkable reversal of opinion. (I tried to slip the expression "flip flop" in there as a joke since that was a popular and widely over-used term at the time too, but I couldn't make it work).

There's a huge difference: in Bush v. Gore, Gore stepped aside for the good of the country, choosing to respect the institution of the courts even if the decision was dodgy. Trump is willing to burn down the institutions if it gives him an edge. The danger from the Trump narrative is not that die-hards are still grumbling, it's that the candidate doesn't seem to care about anything beyond his own interests.

>There's a huge difference: in Bush v. Gore, Gore stepped aside for the good of the country, choosing to respect the institution of the courts even if the decision was dodgy

And why would that be the better way to go about it?

Respecting an election you consider stolen that an institution favored to "respect the institution" means you're respecting a faulty institution - and encouraging similar behavior in the future.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by [deleted] »

krapp wrote: post #115
nostromo wrote: post #69

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Hillary has been claiming the 2016 election was stolen by Russia for Trump for six years now, and nobody seems to fret about how she’s undermining democracy. There were even many faithless electors that tried to overturn the results. Much like Trump, she just can’t seem to admit she lost. Both parties need to learn that if you lose it’s because you didn’t get enough votes and to reflect on why that is. Although I’m s…

Hillary Clinton wasn't making those claims via deranged tweets and speeches from the Oval Office in her position as President of the United States. A private citizen on one hand versus the leader of a country with the power of the press and an angry, violent mob on the other. One person's complaints versus a firehose of misinformation, lies and possibly Russian-backed agitprop being spread by the leader of the countr…

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Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by flyingcircus3 »

hatware wrote: post #74
pfisch wrote: post #27

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To be fair they let Trump run with this stuff a long time. It was really only after he led an attempted insurrection based on these "claims" that they shut down his ability to keep spreading this stuff.

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Are we to believe that you don't understand object permanence? Your argument amounts to "certain images of this event appear peaceful".

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by monkpit »

bfung wrote: post #67

Seems like the underlying problem is that YouTube is 1 generic platform that contains news, entertainment, random home videos, etc. Perhaps the right answer is to “divide” it up and set requirements for each category of video, similar to how “YouTube kids” is a thing now. News and podcasts would go under its own section and have some level of sanity checks while home videos can be as random as they want to be.

As a parent I must say, that’s an extremely generous characterization of YouTube Kids.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by mjfl »

Applejinx wrote: post #53
erichocean wrote: post #36

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John Mearsheimer is now "Russian propaganda"? LOL

Yup. Literal verbatim Kremlin narrative and framing. Not sure what's LOL about that. Have you never seen this before?

I think you are seriously mistaken as he has been keeping a constant message for years and has not changed. I think this is just one of those "you don't want to be right" situations.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by LeifCarrotson »

pg5 wrote: post #136
throw_nbvc1234 wrote: post #100

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Just wait until GPT3 deep-fake audio. Closely followed by Deep-fake video. And algorithms will amplify this content to the echo chambers that "want" to hear it to increase ad revenue a few percentage points. All this will enter society at a time when trust in institutions is already low; you already hear some people predicting that there may not be an election with uncontested results (in the USA) ever again. If we s…

Hate to say it, but deepfake audio and video are already pretty convincing (though post processing is needed)

Good looking post processing used to be exclusively reserved for movie studios with render farms. Then it became available to any YouTuber with a PC and a license (or not) of Adobe. Now the average phone can do more impressive special effects for Snapchat filters than big budget movies had not long ago.

I'm convinced that deepfakes will be as easily generated as a Snapchat filter within a few years, substantially less time than society will require to adjust to this reality.

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