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Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Post by csee »

EtherTyper wrote: post #46
pavlov wrote: post #9

It's good to remember that the previous American president also waged a war against every media outlet he didn't like by claiming they were "fake news." It's the same authoritarianism in different stages. And if you think nobody in America wants to jail journalists and media CEOs, go look at any forum with a substantial amount of Republicans talking freely.

Or for a more concrete example, look at how both Republicans and Democrats are treating Julian Assange. Investigative journalism and whistleblowing are under attack by all political factions and by the justice system, today. We cannot treat anti-free-press authoritarianism in the West as an "early stage" or tomorrow's problem.

There's no equivalence here. Russia has assassinated about 50 journalists under Putin and imprisoned/beaten many more. They have a very tight stranglehold on press freedom.

But yes, we need to take it extremely seriously in the West and fight against any and all encroachments so that we don't slide further towards authoritarianism. Recent trends have been concerning.

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Post by dev_by_day »

LeoPanthera wrote: post #120
commandlinefan wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> shutting down news media that they disagree with I suspect what you mean by this is "outlets claiming to report 'news' but actually spreading misinformation". That's quite different from "disagreement".

What would you call news outlets like MSNBC spreading lies about the Kyle Rittenhouse case? An honest mistake? Or calling the lab leak theory racist?

Notice how this works?

When a news source that is aligned with your political party gets it wrong "its ok" but when its a new source that is not aligned with your party its "spreading misinformation".

There is no objective standard for misinformation so trying to say disagreement and misinformation are not the same depends entirely on what is the issue being discussed. Any issue with ambiguity can be dismissed far too easily by just claiming it "misinformation".

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Post by mrguyorama »

commandlinefan wrote: post #81
pavlov wrote: post #9

It's good to remember that the previous American president also waged a war against every media outlet he didn't like by claiming they were "fake news." It's the same authoritarianism in different stages. And if you think nobody in America wants to jail journalists and media CEOs, go look at any forum with a substantial amount of Republicans talking freely.

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I'll stop laughing when Fox News is no longer the most watched cable news outlet in the country. A self described entertainment channel, who said under oath "no rational person would believe the things we say"

I think CNN would try to hide under "entertainment" in front of a court of law, but have they actually been dragged in front of a court for lying?

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Post by guilhas »

Boris Johnson to make protests that cause 'annoyance' illegal, with prison sentences of up to 10 years https://www.businessinsider.com/boris-johnson-outlaw-protest...

UK law people making social media posts could face two years in prison over Fake News https://www.rt.com/uk/539103-trolls-prison-psychological-har...

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Post by tgv »

asdswe wrote: post #125

Putin is no better than Hitler and nothing the Russian government says can be trusted. They only respect force, nothing else.

I’m sorry, but that’s a bizarre remark. Hitler can be held accountable for millions of deaths, in all kinds of inhuman ways. Putin is nowhere near that and I cannot see that happen either.

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Post by LeoPanthera »

dev_by_day wrote: post #142
LeoPanthera wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> shutting down news media that they disagree with I suspect what you mean by this is "outlets claiming to report 'news' but actually spreading misinformation". That's quite different from "disagreement".

What would you call news outlets like MSNBC spreading lies about the Kyle Rittenhouse case? An honest mistake? Or calling the lab leak theory racist? Notice how this works? When a news source that is aligned with your political party gets it wrong "its ok" but when its a new source that is not aligned with your party its "spreading misinformation". There is no objective standard for misinformation so trying to say di…

I guess your assumption is that everyone left-aligned watches (and agrees with) MSNBC. That isn't true. I certainly don't watch it.

There are reliable news outlets. Don't assume that just because an outlet has a political skew in the direction opposite from your preferred one that everyone you disagree with must watch and endorse it. That's a strawman.

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Post by jmull »

ch4s3 wrote: post #27
pavlov wrote: post #9

It's good to remember that the previous American president also waged a war against every media outlet he didn't like by claiming they were "fake news." It's the same authoritarianism in different stages. And if you think nobody in America wants to jail journalists and media CEOs, go look at any forum with a substantial amount of Republicans talking freely.

That's not really a good comparison. Being an asshole to journalists if really different than putting them in jail for their reporting. The difference here is that some Republicans who have no power to actually do that talk shit about doing it, but Putin actually jails a lot of journalists.

It's pretty weird this comment is downvoted to being greyed out at the moment.

As if it's wrong to point out that tweeting and a 15 year jail sentence are not equivalent.

I can't understand what this means... are there really Russian vote-bots here or something?

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Post by csee »

okareaman wrote: post #108
asats wrote: post #3

Two out of the last three remaining somewhat independent media that were still operating in the country (already under major restrictions) were also shut down, TV rain just did their last transmission and walked out of the studio crying: https://youtu.be/e4an0MlF27k?t=11397 Twitter and facebook are being blocked. Youtube and group chats in telegram/signal/etc are the only things left right now. 7670 people have been…

> Twitter and facebook are being blocked This is the silver lining as people on Reddit are reporting a marked decrease in right wing trolling in all their social media

Are the blocks that Russia is implementing avoidable with a VPN?

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Post by micromacrofoot »

commandlinefan wrote: post #81
pavlov wrote: post #9

It's good to remember that the previous American president also waged a war against every media outlet he didn't like by claiming they were "fake news." It's the same authoritarianism in different stages. And if you think nobody in America wants to jail journalists and media CEOs, go look at any forum with a substantial amount of Republicans talking freely.

Quoted post unavailable.

Please provide a single example of a media agency that is barred from publishing content because a "leftist" disagreed with it.

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Post by pmcollins »

jmull wrote: post #147
ch4s3 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not really a good comparison. Being an asshole to journalists if really different than putting them in jail for their reporting. The difference here is that some Republicans who have no power to actually do that talk shit about doing it, but Putin actually jails a lot of journalists.

It's pretty weird this comment is downvoted to being greyed out at the moment. As if it's wrong to point out that tweeting and a 15 year jail sentence are not equivalent. I can't understand what this means... are there really Russian vote-bots here or something?

clearly, yes
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