Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad • Hacker News Board

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by rjzzleep » Mon, Feb 28, 2022, 1:06 PM UTC

nuodag wrote: post #109

bubblethink wrote: post #90

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The thing with lenovo is that advertise inflated prices. Everything is 50% off in a few months around black friday. The list price is only for press releases. Besides, thinkpads are sold primarily in bulk to companies who also get the discounted rate.

Not in this market. We're usually buying thinkads in bunches of 20 every few months, and are struggling to get any (decent ones), never mind 50% off.

Thinkpads for some reason are disproportionally cheaper in the US. A lot of countries in (south) east asia are a lot more expensive. Taiwans own electronics brands are cheaper in the US than they are in Taiwan.

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by jpe90 » Mon, Feb 28, 2022, 1:09 PM UTC

andi999 wrote: post #137

Who needs 28 hours of battery? I mean the big step is that you can run a an extended working day, lets say 12hours, but at least after 16 hours you should be able to plug it in, shouldnt you; best next to the bed you are resting then.

Sure, but if the battery continues to last for an extended work day after many years of use without a replacement, that’s extremely appealing to me.

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by andi999 » Mon, Feb 28, 2022, 1:10 PM UTC

jpe90 wrote: post #142

andi999 wrote: post #137

Who needs 28 hours of battery? I mean the big step is that you can run a an extended working day, lets say 12hours, but at least after 16 hours you should be able to plug it in, shouldnt you; best next to the bed you are resting then.

Sure, but if the battery continues to last for an extended work day after many years of use without a replacement, that’s extremely appealing to me.

Yes, long life battery, or lighter laptop, that is important. So the logic is, if it lasts 28h when new it will probably last 12h when old?

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by dasKrokodil » Mon, Feb 28, 2022, 1:12 PM UTC

bogwog wrote: post #123

Jedd wrote: post #103

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> When programming, more space is better. So for creators, 16:10 is unambiguously better. I don't think that's how space works.

A 16:9 screen is wider than it is tall, so if you’re programming that means fewer lines of code visible at a time.

True, but if you're having two windows side by side, the wider 16:9 will give you more horizontal space to do so.

One more thing about display sizes and aspect ratio:

Since display sizes are usually given by the length of the diagonal, those aspect ratios that are closer to a square (1:1) will have a bigger area for the same diagonal. With the same diagonal length, a 16:10 has a ~5% larger area than a 16:9, and a 4:3 has a ~12% larger area than the 16:9.

This is a nice tool for display size calculations: https://displaywars.com/

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by githubris » Mon, Feb 28, 2022, 1:15 PM UTC

viraptor wrote: post #15

blibble wrote: post #3

but does it run Linux?

If not now, likely soon. The chip itself is already supported and even its GPU is implemented since 5.15. Similar chips in other laptops don't fail entirely. https://forum.manjaro.org/t/samsung-book-s-with-8cx/52818/3 I give it another 2 months and I'd bet someone boots the basics at least. (Assuming the laptop is reasonably powerful and has enough users / interest) They mostly need to make sure the device tree is co…

That's barely even an encouraging sign. For example, where are the folks running linux on the previous gen 7cx devices?

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by gigatexal » Mon, Feb 28, 2022, 1:17 PM UTC

lnxg33k1 wrote: post #60

xaerise wrote: post #52

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But also the articles are ads, like in general toms is just crap

This is the reason.

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by rd07 » Mon, Feb 28, 2022, 1:20 PM UTC

LAC-Tech wrote: post #43

pjmlp wrote: post #30

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My Asus 1215 B, sold with Linux pre-installed has a different opinion on the matter.

If you think pre-installed linux is bad, wait until you try pre-installed windows.

I have experienced this. Thinkpad E480, sold with pre-installed windows 10. At some point got a Windows update, and suddenly it frequently goes to BSOD, especially after sleep mode.

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by criddell » Mon, Feb 28, 2022, 1:21 PM UTC

goosedragons wrote: post #59

skocznymroczny wrote: post #41

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I think it's not only about arm vs x86. I have a work provided Thinkpad and work provided Macbook Pro (with Skylake CPU) and I prefer to work on the Macbook for the same reason. It's completely silent 99% of the time, whereas Thinkpad has fans blazing 99% of the time and getting very hot. When I look in task manager, it's the usual suspects - corporate bloatware disguised as data protection and antivirus software, ta…

Apple also sets up very different fan curves from most of the PC industry. They won't turn on the fan until it hits 95 C. This keeps it quiet but it affects performance and maybe longevity.

OTOH, Lenovo turns on the fans when the laptop is sleeping in a backpack.

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by criddell » Mon, Feb 28, 2022, 1:24 PM UTC

pjmlp wrote: post #29

rbanffy wrote: post #22

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The M1-based Macs are faster, lighter, offer seamless compatibility, run iOS software, have better screens and better battery life than modern comparable laptops. It's also faster than this Snapdragon chip. And starts from $999. It also runs a really good Unix OS. This laptop still won't run Linux out of the box.

WSL2, as good as it gets.

macOS is a Unix. Is WSL2?

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by organsnyder » Mon, Feb 28, 2022, 1:25 PM UTC

skocznymroczny wrote: post #41

ihateolives wrote: post #7

Interesting. I was recently looking to upgrade my personal T480s which I use for development, but didn't see anything in Lenovo lineup that were reasonably light/powerful/quiet/cool enough to make put in the order. I've grown so sick of laptops constantly hissing at me when I do something more complicated than browsing the web. My work issued Dell is basically unusable in a quiet room without headphones. So as an imp…

I think it's not only about arm vs x86. I have a work provided Thinkpad and work provided Macbook Pro (with Skylake CPU) and I prefer to work on the Macbook for the same reason. It's completely silent 99% of the time, whereas Thinkpad has fans blazing 99% of the time and getting very hot. When I look in task manager, it's the usual suspects - corporate bloatware disguised as data protection and antivirus software, ta…

My personal T480 is silent most of the time. Though I now have an M1 Mac from work, and my next personal laptop will likely be an M1 as well based on my experience with it so far. Not just the chip: Apple finally created the perfect form factor IMHO, with just the right screen aspect ratio, port options (Magsafe plus USB-C charging!), and keyboard.