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What do you really get from IDE-driven development?

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Re: What do you really get from IDE-driven development?

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Also recommend this to learn a new code base which will log every function call: https://www.npmjs.com/package/@phenomnomnominal/debug

The repo has zero documentation. Do you use it on client, node, or both? Does it renders the calls in a tree?

Oh you're right, sorry. Here's the blog post the dev wrote:

https://dev.to/phenomnominal/lazy-debug-logging-for-node-js-...

The idea is it logs every function call. Nice for picking up a new code base.

Re: What do you really get from IDE-driven development?

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> So, if the IDE gives us those tools, what is the exact benefit of "going back and learning the hard way"? Becoming a person of unlimited potential. Being capable of understanding & tackling anything, understanding the world you live in, not living like a marrionette shadow puppet your life. > How much time do I have to spend in the good old hard learning command line to replicate, say, 5% of Intellij Idea's refacto…

> Becoming a person of unlimited potential. That's pure demagoguery. As is, really, the rest of your response. > Two afternoons learning CodeMod would provide a lifetime of infinite capabilities That's not the answer to the question. So, you've learned CodeMod scripts . How much timeyou will then have to spend to replicate 5% of IntelliJ's refactoring capabilities? And while you're struggling to replicate that, how m…

> As is, really, the rest of your response.

> So, you've learned CodeMod scripts . How much timeyou will then have to spend to replicate 5% of IntelliJ's refactoring capabilities?

I was assuming you'd get >50% of the IntelliJ's refactoring you might potentially use in those two afternoons.

And you can invent new ones whenever you feel like in a couple hours.

Your attitude is balls dude, personal & not informational. Chill out, step off, desist from being personally insulting in your rplies. You have no idea how easy it is to replace this precious valued thing you so adore. That's not a problem. But you're getting wrapped up about it & becoming uncivil. You simply don't know. Stop getting worse.

Re: What do you really get from IDE-driven development?

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> So, if the IDE gives us those tools, what is the exact benefit of "going back and learning the hard way"? Becoming a person of unlimited potential. Being capable of understanding & tackling anything, understanding the world you live in, not living like a marrionette shadow puppet your life. > How much time do I have to spend in the good old hard learning command line to replicate, say, 5% of Intellij Idea's refacto…

Meh. If you want "infinite capabilities and unlimited potential" you should learn the best tool for each job. Not the one that works ok all the time.

I agree, but one has to know the fundamentals to begin to evaluate their tools.

It's easy to just assume your tool works for you & it's the right pick, but precious few developers a) actually know computing well enough to assess the field of options, b) have any idea what they're buying.

It's heavyhanded bias that you've disregarded other options, and called whatever you think of as "best" and left everything else as "works ok all the time."

I see the small suite of built-ins as the "works ok", and not even "all of the time," just, for a couple small specific use cases. Learning about metaprogramming, ASTs, code-rewriting is a lifelong opportunity to get better, to understand what we really do when we write code at whole new levels, and those tools we truly, that truly fit the problems we actually have are the best tools.

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