The project has attracted a great deal of interest from celebrities like Grimes
You don't say!
15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died
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Re: 15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died
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I have to tell you that while you see it as unethical, I don't. I think this type of research might bring us a level forward for people who are blind or have parkinson's or other things and that this also might be the way for us humans to evolve further. If the results of this type of research is fruitless, that will still be a discovery. I do justify the experiments and death of those handful animals through the typ…
It is unethical. You just don't see it because we are selfish and does not care about ethics when there is our profit, humans in a nutshell.
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Re: 15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died
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So far he's... - planning to dig tiny tunnels with no ventilation or emergency egress for cars instead of, you know, trains [1] - [edit](as if the only reason we have traffic is because lanes are uncovered? maybe just put a roof over the highway as a beta test?) - he's walked back the whole hyperloop thing almost entirely [2] - some electric cars where he tried to overthrow the government of Bolivia to source lithium…
Can you tldr #6? Because readability very clearly makes things cheaper for SpaceX (they pass only a small fraction on to the customer, because I don’t think customers have any other alternative at that price point anyway, but for things like Starlink launches, it’s a huge help to them).
Whoops, that should read “because reusability”
Re: 15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died
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Wasn't most of the hard work done by the two actual founders of Tesla? They achieved something almost equivalent to the modern day Tesla before Elon contributed anything (funding excluded).
No. They hadn’t even gotten the hand-built roadster working properly before he took over (iirc the two speed transmission was still shredding itself before they switched to single speed), let alone launching the Model S, X, 3, Y, and then scaling up the manufacturing (the real hard part). Credit to them for the idea and the initial prototypes - the idea that EVs could not only be decent cars that people could stomach…
Easy to build a company out of a genius product/IP some other intelligent team built. I grant that Elon is a decent salesman (even though all the false promises are chipping away at that title), I haven't seen proof of much else.
Re: 15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died
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We allow poor people to mine tiny bits of gold by burning (boiling?) off mercury, poisoning themselves, their family, and the whole ecosystem, as their nervous systems degenerate like a slow form of torture. This is tame. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/28/climate/amazon-forest-mer...
Well "illegal gold mining" is banned kind of by definition. Admittedly it seems Peru and places aren't enforcing the laws as well as they could but it's kind of a different category of problem. And I'm not sure you can regard the US as responsible for making gold valuable as it was for thousands of years before the US existed.
I'm just comparing people who intentionally make a choice to poison themselves and so many animals around them for tiny shiny bits opposed to unintentional deaths during medical research. I don't blame US in any way.
Re: 15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died
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He made some electric cars. They're pretty cool when they're not trying to murder. And some low-orbit satellite internet that should help connect some remote areas. The successes are genuinely massively overstated. He's a marketer, and a good one. A P.T. Barnum type.
“Some” electric cars? They made roughly 1 million of them this past year, 80% more than the previous year.
Absolutely, about 10% of the number that Toyota makes every year - a company valued at $300B (vs. Tesla's $900B). They're cool cars, when they're not trying to murder. Electric cars aren't a step-change for humanity. They're an incremental improvement.
Especially at the moment when a $20,000 battery replacement awaits Tesla owners at the 8 year mark - and in places that are primarily coal-powered, the CO2 break-even is around year 6. [1]
[1] https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/when-d...
Re: 15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died
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What are his huge successes in your view?
Reusable rocket is a pretty huge game-changer. It is something that was quite already possible in earlier decades, but there was no appetite to do that because of economics (from '80s to 2010, Soviet Union fell and American Space sector was gutted into cost-plus pork barrel grant of jobs to various states). SpaceX is the first success of NewSpace, and the revolutionary cost-saving of Falcon 9 seems to continue with S…
Not really. You don't actually get much benefit by re-using the entirety of the rocket, which is why it's a non-goal for most programs. Even according to their own numbers, they expect fully reusable rockets to end up being about 10% less expensive than disposable rockets. ... if they actually manage to get there because so far, they're more expensive. Despite Elon's claims of 100X improvements.
Re: 15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died
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Out of genuine curiosity, without wishing to seem challenging, and appreciating that engaging in lengthy conversation online might be difficult for you... I wonder if other technologies might come to market quicker. Frankly, I wonder if neuralink will come to market at all, and how affordable and accessible it will be. I can't imagine someone without the use of their limbs in a developing nation benefiting from neura…
oh, I definitely have no loyalty to Neuralink. I'd particularly like it if something like Open Water, a non-invasive IR refraction imager, would succeed. Implants sound dangerous, difficult to maintain and intractable to upgrade. And accessibility tech tends to be crappy and massively overpriced unless it's marketed to able-bodied users as well. My eye tracker was $200, because it's for "gamers", while the eye tracke…
Thanks for the reply, very much appreciate your sharing your personal perspective.
Re: 15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died
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Yikes. Nope. The more we learn about other species, the more we realise that they are thinking and emotional creatures. I would no more want to see these experiments done on a human than on a chimp. Do the ends justify the means? That's ethically extremely dubious, to say the least. Why conduct brain surgery on primates for neuralink ? Where are we going with this, exactly? As for comparing neuralink brain surgery to…
Where are we going with this? In the best case scenario the complete decoding of how brain signals work meaning true telepathy, flawless alternate reality generation, human distributed computing, instantaneous knowledge transfer, cure for persistent mental illness, consciousness transfer, immortality, intelligence argumentation etc. The list is pretty much endless.
Okay, wow. So, we're very much not going to achieve anything like what you describe, and Elon certainly isn't going to get there before you and welcome you in with open arms.
And honestly, I don't know why you believe any of these things you list are achievable, let alone desirable.
A question. You have two paths before you. Either path might lead you to you desired destination. Perhaps both will. Nobody knows, because (surprise) nobody can predict the future. One path definitely involves conscious animals mutilating themselves, the other definitely does not. Which do you choose?
Re: 15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died
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Yikes. Nope. The more we learn about other species, the more we realise that they are thinking and emotional creatures. I would no more want to see these experiments done on a human than on a chimp. Do the ends justify the means? That's ethically extremely dubious, to say the least. Why conduct brain surgery on primates for neuralink ? Where are we going with this, exactly? As for comparing neuralink brain surgery to…
>Do the ends justify the means? Yes.
Hehehe :) Nope.