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UK.gov to make adults give credit card details for access to Facebook or TikTok

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This needs to be seen in the context of the political situation in the UK. Boris Johnson, the current PM, is currently on this 9th and last political live. During the strictest period of lockdown, when UK citizens where not able to say goodbye to loved ones dying in hospitals, several parties were organised at his residence . It is alleged he attended two of them himself and was photographed drinking beer. In attempt…

I'm pretty sure that it was the leader of the opposition who was photographed drinking beers with his colleagues during lockdown, and everyone seems to have bought the claim that was work related and therefore legal. Boris and his colleagues were drinking wine. The big reason that he's on his 9th and last political life is increasingly cynical attacks on him over the handling of Covid - for context, one of the most r…

This is a good summary of the UK's Prime Minister's character.

Jonathan Pie: 'Boris Johnson Is a Liar' | NYT Opinion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QS7kUqKeg_0

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Help me understand. Are you saying we would be better off if there were fewer trans people?

A growing population who needs surgery and psychiatric care is a problem, yes. Increasing acceptance hasn't done anything positive for their depression rates, drug use rates, suicide rates, either. So yeah. I don't see this population growing as a good thing for anyone. Im not advocating eradication of them or anything negative. But I do think when we have kids who trend towards narcissistic personality disorder, tha…

What would happen to you had positive views about trans people? Would your life be any better or worse?

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Are they being humiliated though? Feels like they get lots of press when announcing this kind of stuff which sits well with some target part of the electorate, then when the whole thing gets abandoned it happens with almost no attention. The current government seems to be well aware that most of the time announcing a policy has a much higher ROI than actually implementing one (cf all the times pre-existing spending c…

If you say you're going to do this often enough, and keep getting thwarted for whatever reason, eventually you won't have much credibility with anyone.

Unless your constituents want this. In the US, humiliation from other districts doesn't mean anything as long as you keep being voted in.

Re: UK.gov to make adults give credit card details for access to Facebook or TikTok

#145

This needs to be seen in the context of the political situation in the UK. Boris Johnson, the current PM, is currently on this 9th and last political live. During the strictest period of lockdown, when UK citizens where not able to say goodbye to loved ones dying in hospitals, several parties were organised at his residence . It is alleged he attended two of them himself and was photographed drinking beer. In attempt…

What does your first point have to do with the second? Boris did a bad thing, so now everyone has to give Facebook their credit card? I don't get it.

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post #63

This needs to be seen in the context of the political situation in the UK. Boris Johnson, the current PM, is currently on this 9th and last political live. During the strictest period of lockdown, when UK citizens where not able to say goodbye to loved ones dying in hospitals, several parties were organised at his residence . It is alleged he attended two of them himself and was photographed drinking beer. In attempt…

It's good not to underestimate the situation though - few things are as dangerous as a desperate government. If they can start wars to divert attention, they can certainly force bad laws. This goes double in the UK, where the executive is effectively all-powerful in practice since the Blair reforms.

The Royal Fam still screen every bill before it is proposed.

Re: UK.gov to make adults give credit card details for access to Facebook or TikTok

#147

This needs to be seen in the context of the political situation in the UK. Boris Johnson, the current PM, is currently on this 9th and last political live. During the strictest period of lockdown, when UK citizens where not able to say goodbye to loved ones dying in hospitals, several parties were organised at his residence . It is alleged he attended two of them himself and was photographed drinking beer. In attempt…

What does your first point have to do with the second? Boris did a bad thing, so now everyone has to give Facebook their credit card? I don't get it.

Seems pretty clear to me. Boris did something that offended a certain segment, so he makes amends by creating the perception he is going to do something that segment approves of. At least that seems to be what is implied.

The noted point here is it likely won't happen, but the underlying goal of creating such perception may be achieved.

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I honestly don't care if my politicians have parties during covid. that seems like a really weird thing to complain about.

My perception is that that's a position that most people would find weird. The politicians in the UK have just slapped the harshest restrictions on people's liberties since (I assume) the world wars, and then they completely ignored them themselves. People weren't able to attend loved ones funerals, but the politicians where having parties in their offices. I'm intrigued to find out why you don't think this is a bad…

I don't think it's a bad thing, because it is what I expected. (Edit: what I meant is that it confirmed my belief in how things work, and did not assert a need to reexamine my mental model of politicians) And if this revelation goes some way to shaking people out of the naivety and blind conformity that were needed to support lockdowns, then that is ultimately a good thing.

For democracy to survive, people must sharpen their political antennae.

  "Evil in the modern world is done neither by monsters not by bureaucrats, but by joiners. That evil originates in the neediness of lonely, alienated bourgeois people who live lives so devoid of higher meaning that they give themselves fully to movements" Helen Arendt after watching the Nazi trials.

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> I fail to see how that's substantively different/worse than the cat-calling, profanities and other verbal abuse that women and girls have unfortunately suffered throughout history; often out of sight, and hence less amenable to third-party anecdotes. Just because you perceive a problem as being less worse than another problem, doesn't mean its not a problem. I think it should be normalized to not give children pers…

> doesn't mean its not a problem. What a silly strawman; I never said it wasn't a problem, and in fact I said the opposite.

> What a silly strawman

No, it was a criticism of whataboutism of the first part of your comment, which didn't address the problem, but rather compared its magnitude to a different problem.

I think it was your comment, actually, which was the straw man of the person you were responding to. The original commenter was talking specifically about pornography, and your comment straw-manned this as somehow a wish to "wind back the clock"; involving returning to social norms where casual sexism was the norm.

In fact, we can still go forward, whilst still addressing the problem the original commenter was highlighting.

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post #134

This needs to be seen in the context of the political situation in the UK. Boris Johnson, the current PM, is currently on this 9th and last political live. During the strictest period of lockdown, when UK citizens where not able to say goodbye to loved ones dying in hospitals, several parties were organised at his residence . It is alleged he attended two of them himself and was photographed drinking beer. In attempt…

I honestly don't care if my politicians have parties during covid. that seems like a really weird thing to complain about.

I don't think anybody actually cares the politicians have a party. The average person cares that politicians didn't follow the rules they passed while enforcing / attempting to enforce the rules on the average Joe.
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