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Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by UnpossibleJim »

midnitewarrior wrote: post #56
hourislate wrote: post #28

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This isn't about being offensive, it's giving credibility to misinformation that undermines public health measures and kills people.

I mean, Dr. Fauci told the American public it didn't need to wear masks. Was that misinformation? Did that kill people?

https://www.businessinsider.com/fauci-doesnt-regret-advising...

EDIT: I know people have trouble with single sourcing. Here's a more sympathetic source to Fauci:

https://www.cnn.com/factsfirst/politics/factcheck_e58c20c6-8...

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by sneak »

echelon wrote: post #107
MBCook wrote: post #48

Spotify has played this perfectly. First they spent $100m on a very controversial figure, just to get an exclusive contract. When he acted controversially they stood up for him, making plenty of people mad and getting others to disassociate themselves from Spotify (Young, Mitchell). Wouldn’t surprise me if they were having some quiet issues with sponsors/ads. Now they seem to be removing episodes, but reportedly not…

Every platform is eventually going to have to deal with this. The correct move is to be a free speech maximalist (in either political direction) until laws are broken. You can also make rules against directed harassment and threats. Tell the detractors that "it could just as easily be your side being silenced", because that's the honest truth. People will complain, but only the fringes will leave.

Ideologically I am a free speech maximalist, but I also personally despise being advertised to nonconsensually.

The issue with unadorned free speech maximalism (aside from people legitimately complaining about idiots spewing lies) is that it also dictates a 100% hands-off approach to even the most egregious spamming, as spam is legal.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by donmcronald »

MBCook wrote: post #48

Spotify has played this perfectly. First they spent $100m on a very controversial figure, just to get an exclusive contract. When he acted controversially they stood up for him, making plenty of people mad and getting others to disassociate themselves from Spotify (Young, Mitchell). Wouldn’t surprise me if they were having some quiet issues with sponsors/ads. Now they seem to be removing episodes, but reportedly not…

I was absolutely stunned when Spotify did the Joe Rogan deal. You could already tell at that point that he was a divisive kind of person and I just couldn't understand why anyone would want that headache. I was already wondering how YouTube was going to deal with him and even joked to people I knew that the staff at YouTube were probably high fiving each other and planning a big party as soon as they heard the news.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by enkid »

bmarquez wrote: post #120
MBCook wrote: post #48

Spotify has played this perfectly. First they spent $100m on a very controversial figure, just to get an exclusive contract. When he acted controversially they stood up for him, making plenty of people mad and getting others to disassociate themselves from Spotify (Young, Mitchell). Wouldn’t surprise me if they were having some quiet issues with sponsors/ads. Now they seem to be removing episodes, but reportedly not…

> Now they seem to be removing episodes, but reportedly not the controversial ones? Yeah I don't get this part. While I could understand why they'd want to remove Alex Jones, there are uncontroversial names like Tim Ferriss who were also removed.

Baseless speculation, but maybe the guests are asking for their episodes to be removed so they aren't associated with the podcast?

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by nprz »

paulcole wrote: post #100
silisili wrote: post #47

This is idiotic. I really respected Spotify for their position in the face of 'controversy.' I'm not a JRE listener, but believe in free speech. What Spotify is doing now just pisses off both sides. Pro speech people don't like this, JRE listeners don't like this, and anti Rogan people won't stop until he's 'canceled' completely.

> Pro speech people don't like this I’m “pro speech” and I love this! No governmental agency stepped in and told Spotify what to do. They have a contract with Joe Rogan, are ostensibly honoring it, and are making a decision on what speech they want to be associated with. What else do you want them to do? Be forced by someone to make a decision they don’t want to make? That doesn’t sound like something someone who bel…

> No governmental agency stepped in and told Spotify what to do

Yes they did.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic...

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by ouEight12 »

tedd4u wrote: post #32
jimmygrapes wrote: post #20

Remember all those times you have seen gaslighting ideologues saying "nobody is actually calling for [canceling/deleting/censorship]", remember how they couch any argument with "private company can do what it wants". I don't care about Joe Rogan in particular, but you're deluding yourself if you think there isn't some relevance here. A lot of people now suddenly hate Joe, the same way they hate Jordan Peterson, the s…

So, it’s pretty serious. Spotify is paying Joe Rogan to broadcast disinformation that is getting people killed. I think it’s okay in this case if people have a sudden change of opinion or a newly formed strong opinion. He didn’t crack an off color joke.

> that is getting people killed.

Twice as many people died in the US last year from Heart Disease than from COVID, but I'm pretty sure we don't (yet) ban youtubers who extol the awesomeness of gluttonous fast food in weekly videos.

At some point, people need to grow up and take responsibility for themselves, and also allow others to do the liberty to do the same. If someone is an adult, in the US, and not vax'd by now, that's on them. Period. Not anyone else.

To put it another way, I owned not one, but two separate copies of "The Anarchists Cookbook" over the years growing up.. the number of governments I have, to date, attempted to overthrow? Zero. Why? Because I was capable of reviewing the offered material and going "yeah, not today prison, not today."

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by willis936 »

systemvoltage wrote: post #105
xyzzy_plugh wrote: post #75

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They could but it just feels wrong to take down stuff because of mob chasing after them. Soon, we will be silencing political opponents, critics, contrarians, etc. the entire fabric of society falls apart when mobs fight like this. There needs to be stern principles of free speech, in colloquial and philosophical sense [1], that keeps the wheels greased and keeps the fabric intact. Honestly, we are heading towards a…

8chan is maximal free speech. We live in a post-truth society. This is the fruit of society saying enough with the lies.
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