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Re: Windows 8 OEM specs may block Linux booting

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Post by kamaal » Thu, Sep 22, 2011, 2:59 AM UTC

roel_v wrote: post #94

kamaal wrote: post #80

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Reasons: -------- 1. Windows was never originally designed to work as a Server side operating system at the first place. They started to drive it on the server side when they first discovered the Internet had a huge commercial potential to sell machines on the backend. There fore all means of getting things done on a windows machine for a developer have to go somehow through a set GUI's to get work done programatical…

Not to defend Windows here, because it certainly has its flaws, but you're so deluded it's not even funny any more. You seem to like 'openness' so much, but the concept of 'open mind' seems to be completely lost on you. "There fore all means of getting things done on a windows machine for a developer have to go somehow through a set GUI's to get work done programatically." This alone is enough to discard anything you…

WTF are you talking about? Have you ever seen a Windows box since Windows 95?

Why is it so difficult for people to make a point without making personal remarks?

Re: Windows 8 OEM specs may block Linux booting

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Post by alrs » Thu, Sep 22, 2011, 3:14 AM UTC

roel_v wrote: post #123

rbanffy wrote: post #111

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> Which is why my employer really doesn't use Outlook/Exchange for email, or Sharepoint for the intranet, or IIS for the public website, or ActiveDirectory to manage logins and whatever else it does, or .... If you really have to live with all that stuff, I'm deeply sorry for you. I use Exchange and AD and it's bad enough.

Oh come on, seriously? I'm not saying it's the best thing ever, but it works well enough for the majority of small businesses. There is nobody who is really inconvenienced by having to use AD (it's not like most people would even notice). At least it provides a default and standard authentication system, unlike the hacks I've seen where people use rsync to distribute /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow to all machines (and d…

Hi, I'm Lars.

Re: Windows 8 OEM specs may block Linux booting

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Post by n3m6 » Thu, Sep 22, 2011, 10:40 AM UTC

kamaal wrote: post #73

jrockway wrote: post #8

I doubt any major vendor will do this. First off, they don't want to be locked into selling Microsoft-only machines. If they can't pretend Linux is an option, Microsoft can charge them $1000 for a Windows license and there's nothing they can do about it. If they have Linux hanging over Microsoft's head, though, they'll get better pricing on Windows. (Think this won't happen? It already did with XP on netbooks. When M…

Here in India, Microsoft is famous only because the pirated version is freely available from anywhere, thorough anyone at anytime.That's the only reason why everybody uses it all the time. Take away the free option, and the non industry consumers will just dump their OS. What is stopping Linux from ruling the Desktop market is a awesome UI. Now, I decide to buy a netbook for browsing and light development. I can save…

"Here in India... the pirated version... stopping Linux... is an awesome UI."

I completely disagree with that. What's stopping Linux is actually people pirating stuff, and getting Windows for dirt cheap, when in reality they cost a lot more. If the people had to actually pay for Windows, there'll be a lot more Linux users in this world.

Re: Windows 8 OEM specs may block Linux booting

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Post by robert_nsu » Thu, Sep 22, 2011, 2:55 PM UTC

irahul wrote: post #87

FireBeyond wrote: post #65

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Two words: Power Shell. Well, one word. PS is a "decent command line" for Windows, that can handle most of the things you discuss pretty well.

PS is just a piece of the puzzle. In fact, if I were to automate things on Windows, I would pick perl/python/ruby(on linux, I use shell scripts only for jobs which are less than 50 lines). The major question is does the objects which are to be automated lend themselves to automation? Here is one of the results I found while looking for 'sql server automate' http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms187061.aspx If I w…

You can script and automate IIS and MSSQL using powershell. I'm willing to bet dollars against pesos that if MS hasn't made everything in Windows scriptable via Powershell, they are currently working towards it.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh245198(v=SQL.110)....

Re: Windows 8 OEM specs may block Linux booting

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Post by jholman » Fri, Sep 23, 2011, 1:17 AM UTC

kamaal wrote: post #141

roel_v wrote: post #94

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Not to defend Windows here, because it certainly has its flaws, but you're so deluded it's not even funny any more. You seem to like 'openness' so much, but the concept of 'open mind' seems to be completely lost on you. "There fore all means of getting things done on a windows machine for a developer have to go somehow through a set GUI's to get work done programatically." This alone is enough to discard anything you…

WTF are you talking about? Have you ever seen a Windows box since Windows 95? Why is it so difficult for people to make a point without making personal remarks?

Speaking as someone who refuses good money when it involves working on Windows, because no one's offering me enough money for that level of pain...

Seriously, if you claim that a drawback of Windows is that it doesn't allow multi-user login, then it's hard not to ask "WTF are you talking about? Really, what are you talking about? Are you stuck in some circa-1995 reference frame? That doesn't even make sense!"

So I'm not sure that it was a personal remark. It may have just been honest lack of comprehension.

Re: Windows 8 OEM specs may block Linux booting

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Post by roel_v » Fri, Sep 23, 2011, 9:38 AM UTC

kamaal wrote: post #141

roel_v wrote: post #94

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Not to defend Windows here, because it certainly has its flaws, but you're so deluded it's not even funny any more. You seem to like 'openness' so much, but the concept of 'open mind' seems to be completely lost on you. "There fore all means of getting things done on a windows machine for a developer have to go somehow through a set GUI's to get work done programatically." This alone is enough to discard anything you…

WTF are you talking about? Have you ever seen a Windows box since Windows 95? Why is it so difficult for people to make a point without making personal remarks?

There is a distinction between 'ad hominem' and 'refuting an opponent's ethos'. Somebody made a factual claim about something, therefore implying some form of at least familiarity with the subject at hand. When his arguments show the he lacks even the most basic of such familiarity, then calling that out is not an ad hominem.