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Re: GoFundMe pauses donations to Canada truckers

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Post by chroem- »

nitwit005 wrote: post #136
chroem- wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And generally arresting looters and rioters seems quite popular on both sides of the political spectrum. I beg to differ. Any attempts to contain the mass violence were decried as "Trumpist fascism".

And you believe every single liberal agrees with that idea? You're just holding up a minority opinion and smearing the rest with it.

That was the messsage being blasted at max volume by CNN, NYT, WaPo, and the rest. They were outraged when the capitol police responded to far left insurrectionists setting the national mall on fire. So yes, it is safe to say that was a mainstream viewpoint.

Re: GoFundMe pauses donations to Canada truckers

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Post by beerandt »

chickenpotpie wrote: post #55
beerandt wrote: post #3

I'm still curious how these sites skirt banking regulations, for what is essentially what PayPal was originally (advertised as sending/ transferring money, but between delays and dark patterns, it really ends up in an account under their control, at least temporarily). If they're going to lock or delete an account (regardless of reason), there should be a requirement that funds are either paid to the benefactor or re…

> If they're going to lock or delete an account (regardless of reason), there should be a requirement that funds are either paid to the benefactor or refunded immediately. Gofundme partially locked the funds because they don’t know who the benefactor is anymore (according to their official statement). Who gets the money? Does it just go to every person in the city with a semi truck or is it just going to some random…

I suspect it's a case of "show me the person and I'll show you the TOS violation", or whatever other reason that can be used to shut down donations as the cause goes viral and peaks.

It's a problem that is suspiciously one-sided, at least as far as 404ing/disabling the linked page, locking the account, and pausing donations while being resolved.

Re: GoFundMe pauses donations to Canada truckers

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Post by BizarroLand »

Bancakes wrote: post #140
BizarroLand wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the group you're in pulls out Nazi flags and you don't leave the group, then you're endorsing Nazism the same as if your group starts to break into a house and you don't leave the group then you're an accessory to breaking into a house. It's very basic stuff here.

If one person pulls a Nazi flag or throws stones at riot cops, he is an agitator and must be outed. Throwing your hands up and leaving will leave you running circles, and is not very mature.

That's a different story, as evidenced by the fact that you told a different story than the one I told.

If you're in a group and someone starts throwing stones at a cop, you help the cop get that person (at the very least by getting away from that person so you don't interfere with the cop). If you're in a group and a person joins the group and pulls out a Nazi flag, then you kick that person out of the group unless your group sympathizes with Nazis.

Re: GoFundMe pauses donations to Canada truckers

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Post by gknoy »

koenigdavidmj wrote: post #108
Barrin92 wrote: post #34

okay so this is an unlawful protest that has a detrimental impact on residents, the environment, and local business. Can someone explain to me why this is tolerated and why these people are not simply being arrested? What it reminds me of is that 2014 standoff with the Bundy family on federal land in the US or farmers in France. Some groups can just do whatever they want apparently.

So you arrest them all. Now they can’t drive away the trucks in downtown Ottawa. You just exhausted all your leverage with them when you decided to throw the book at them. You call a tow truck driver. They say “I don’t have a class 3 tow truck, there’s no way I can move a semi.” You call a class 3 tow truck driver. They know they’re risking their reputation with the trucking industry, so they refuse. If they’re the t…

At some point in that line of events, where do the bulldozers come out? Is the government obligated to preserve the condition of vehicles that are effectively a roadblock? (It probably is, but at the same time .... how far are you going to get in suing the government for siezing/dismantling/bulldozing your vehicle?)

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Post by screye »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #131
screye wrote: post #67

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> unlawful protest that has a detrimental impact on residents, the environment, and local business So every protest that has ever happened ? If anything, the associated violence and demands of the protest are pretty tame in comparison to what the BLM or Indian Farmers protests demanded. It is easy to dismiss the protestors because the reason for the protests sounds unimportant within our peer groups. However, a Democ…

> So every protest that has ever happened ? Ottawa, being the capital, gets two types of protests. The legal ones who get a permit have their route planned out in advance, and the police shut down the streets while the protest occurs. It's sort of like a parade. It's inconvenient and annoying, but no single street gets shut down for more than a couple of hours. And it's not just the agreeable protests that get permit…

> stand on the sidewalk with a sign

> legal ones who get a permit have their route planned out in advance

So the kind of protests that don't matter ?

A protest, by definition, is meant to display discontent from the masses because conventional means have failed. If a protest does not hit where it hurts, it isn't an effective protest. If shouting loudly worked, then twitter outrage would have been sufficient for pressuring the Govt. into accepting their demands.

A slight tangent, but this is exactly why I dislike 'permitted' or 'side walk' protests. You're walking down a pre-cleared street supporting an already popular movement with institutional support to show what exactly ? It reeks of the kind of slacktivism that has been memed to death over the last decade.

The people are clearly expressing their disillusionment with the overreach of the Govt. in terms of the intrusion of privacy permitted to the Govt. by law. If you are disillusioned by the system, of course you'd just extra-legal means to display your discontent.

Now, the Govt. ofc is allowed to react with force. If anything, I support removal of actively destructive protests with force. But, the current Canadian Govt. has supported far more egregious protests in the other nations (specifically the farmers protests and 2020 riots). So, I am enjoying a bit of schadenfreude seeing Trudeau get a piece of his own medicine.

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Post by refurb »

colpabar wrote: post #110
tonfreed wrote: post #74

Amazing that the 100 IQ elites all think they want a working class uprising, but when it happens they panic and smear them as every -ist and -ism label in the book. It's fine to disagree with the protesters, but at least be honest about what they want. They've been squeezed off online platforms and out of mainstream discourse, and this is what happens when it bubbles over.

What gets me is the way that people will see a picture of a swastika and immediately brand everyone involved as a racist, but then turn around and say that any wrongdoing that happened during a protest for a cause they do agree with was just a couple of bad apples who had nothing to do with the movement. Does that really only happen on one side?

You mean the CNN “Firey, but mostly peaceful protest” versus someone honking horns and articles published about “the threat of non-violence”?

Re: GoFundMe pauses donations to Canada truckers

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Post by nitwit005 »

chroem- wrote: post #141
nitwit005 wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And you believe every single liberal agrees with that idea? You're just holding up a minority opinion and smearing the rest with it.

That was the messsage being blasted at max volume by CNN, NYT, WaPo, and the rest. They were outraged when the capitol police responded to far left insurrectionists setting the national mall on fire. So yes, it is safe to say that was a mainstream viewpoint.

Conservative news sources put out insane stuff all the time. Do all Conservatives believe all of it?

It's not odd to publish editorials from activists when a bunch of protests are going on. That doesn't mean everyone is on board.

Re: GoFundMe pauses donations to Canada truckers

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Post by refurb »

manquer wrote: post #112
kangaroozach wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stealing food? Can you cite that?

It was covered in the news well [1] [2] [3] [4]. Even Trudeau mentioned it in his comments. [1] https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/ottawa-homeless-shelter-staff-hara... [2] https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/1/31/canada-trudeau-deno... [3] https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/police-say-ottawa-tru... [4] https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/31/world/canada/trudeau-truc...

Trudeau also called the protest “anti-trans”.

Since this protest is making him look bad, I’d take what he says with a grain of salt.

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Post by mrhands556 »

BizarroLand wrote: post #138
_-david-_ wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if you don't see the swastika? Should you be branded a Nazi? What happens if there is a good cause that you support and a random person comes with a Nazi flag? Should all the people leave? Protesting would effectively never be able to happen.

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There was a video of them kicking out some dude with a confederate flag. I’ve only seen the Nazi flag in a couple pictures and seemed like it was never in the middle of the rally.

Source: https://thepostmillennial.com/canadian-trucker-convoy-confro...

If you’re trying to discredit a group of people it’s pretty low hanging fruit to send people in with a Nazi flag for great photo ops to show the masses.

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Post by chroem- »

BizarroLand wrote: post #138
_-david-_ wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if you don't see the swastika? Should you be branded a Nazi? What happens if there is a good cause that you support and a random person comes with a Nazi flag? Should all the people leave? Protesting would effectively never be able to happen.

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