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Re: On Covid

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Post by cameldrv »

rob_c wrote: post #136
cameldrv wrote: post #134

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I can't say precisely how these deaths are defined. I can say that I know several people personally who have died of COVID just in the past month. I can't ever remember anyone I know dying of the Flu.

I'm not questioning this. But unfortunately it is by definition anecdotal. I know 3 over 90s who are still going, and a mix of expose risk and health status. I'm sorry for your loss.

Yes, I also know a ton of people who didn't die from it. That does not change the fact that COVID is much more lethal than the flu, which was the original claim to justify the article.

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Post by refurb »

esalman wrote: post #139
refurb wrote: post #137

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Hospitals hit capacity during flu season all the time. Did you stay at home, keep your kids from school and cancel all travel plans last flu season when hospitals got overwhelmed? You probably didn’t even know they were overwhelmed, did you?

Last flu season a bunch of my family friends did not die from flu, nor did any relative suffer long term consequences from flu. My coworker from 5 years back died yesterday. He is 2 years younger than me. I am not even 40.

So it doesn't affect you so those tens of thousands dead from the flu don't matter?

Not sure what your point is?

Re: On Covid

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Post by esalman »

refurb wrote: post #142
esalman wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Last flu season a bunch of my family friends did not die from flu, nor did any relative suffer long term consequences from flu. My coworker from 5 years back died yesterday. He is 2 years younger than me. I am not even 40.

So it doesn't affect you so those tens of thousands dead from the flu don't matter? Not sure what your point is?

Straw man argument.

Re: On Covid

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Post by [deleted] »

immibis wrote: post #108
ryandrake wrote: post #61

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Exactly. COVID has made very clear humanity’s amazing ability to play make-believe, making failed attempt after failed attempt to get “back to normal”. We have this idea that “life as it was in November 2019” is the One True Normal, and we must keep trying to return to this Normal lifestyle, despite that pesky, stubborn reality. Every time restrictions relax, and we rush back to capital-N Normal, cases rise, deaths r…

We could get back to normal if people would stop thinking that we could just declare it, as if the virus could read and follow government proclamations. All it takes is to not spread the virus for several weeks.

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Re: On Covid

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Post by refurb »

esalman wrote: post #143
refurb wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So it doesn't affect you so those tens of thousands dead from the flu don't matter? Not sure what your point is?

Straw man argument.

How is it a straw man, when it pretty much repeating what you said?

Re: On Covid

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Post by rob_c »

cameldrv wrote: post #141
rob_c wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not questioning this. But unfortunately it is by definition anecdotal. I know 3 over 90s who are still going, and a mix of expose risk and health status. I'm sorry for your loss.

Yes, I also know a ton of people who didn't die from it. That does not change the fact that COVID is much more lethal than the flu, which was the original claim to justify the article.

again, as per my comment, you cannot make this assessment based on bad data, please stop insisting on it.

In the UK(Eng+Wales) it has killed https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/fre... This alone should worry people!

The total kill count is supposed to be 100x this which is a heck of a disparity, and shows there is something bad about the data.

Re: On Covid

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Post by NicoJuicy »

kevingadd wrote: post #48
NicoJuicy wrote: post #23

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There's a difference between effectiveness against "new cases" vs. heavy illness. Deaths/severity is not rising even though there are a lot of new cases. Deaths ( = going down): https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/worldwide-graphs/#... Severe cases ( small increase): https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/worldwide-graphs/#... While new cases > x 7 https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/worldwide-graphs/#…

Deaths per day is higher on the chart you linked than it was not too long ago.

Did you take end year meetings into account?

We are just out of the busiest social time of the year.

Re: On Covid

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Post by NicoJuicy »

eli wrote: post #80
NicoJuicy wrote: post #68

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First of all. Not thousands, but 571 as i checked on a population of 320.000.000 in the US and with a reasonable amount of people unvaccinated ( and they chose for this, other people aren't responsible for other people's decisions) And as mentioned in my above comment. Can you show me how many are dying because of Omicron specific and how many are related to previous Delta infection that were already admitted in the…

Most states don't report deaths on the weekend, which is why you should look at the 7-day average. It was 3,866 deaths on Friday.

Sure. Compare cases vs deaths over a 7 day average with a comparable timing ( eg. January 2021)

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/worldwide-graphs/#...

Lots of more new cases, less severe ones.

It works both ways to have a fair comparison.

Re: On Covid

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Post by mam4 »

immibis wrote: post #96
afavour wrote: post #30

I've seen a few posts like this recently and I have to confess: I don't get it. What does "it is time to stop obsessing about Covid" mean? I have small children so I'm still living in some kind of COVID purgatory but for the majority of the population COVID hasn't really been an obsession for quite a while. People are dining indoors, they're traveling, socializing... life more or less is back to normal. Schools are s…

It's one out of a large number of propaganda lines or "NPC script lines" where the ultimate goal is to convince the reader/listener to decide that we should simply stick our heads in the sand and pretend the COVID-19 pandemic does not exist. You are lucky if you have not been exposed to this propaganda very much yet. You might notice that the editorial reads as if the word "Covid" refers to "that time when the govern…

> People with attitudes similar to the author are the reason there is still a COVID-19 pandemic, in the developed world at least. I'm surprised you don't have experience with them by now.

This line of thinking is crazy: variants are getting every 3-6 months more contagious, sure less harmful, but at the same time more evaise of vaccine. I have some friends who had 3 doses and still had hard time with omiron. At some point all the population will have had some sort of covid in the future, probably multiple time if you think on a decade length of time.

Saying "the pandemic is still there because because of the crazy ones who don't want to confine for a year" is just nonsense. look at australia who had the strictest rules ? They are taking the current wave right in the face.

While it's important to protect old and fragile people, i'm really convinced most young people who were not in contact with old people should have not confined. The risk was super low, upside was to get natural immunity and not kill the economy. Half of the world (the < 40) bowed to fear for exactly 0 positive consequence imo.

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