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Re: IBM’s Watson Health is sold off in parts

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Post by aunty_helen »

JediPig wrote: post #123
jiscariot wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I work in a role where half of our stuff is in IBM's cloud (for decisions made before my tenure). On a day in Mid-November, we started receiving alerts from our UAT and PROD environments. Logged in, all our stuff was gone. Opened a ticket and did some digging and found in our audit logs an IBM SRE had deleted all our stuff. They then told us there was no way to recover and we'd have to rebuild from scratch. They had…

so I worked at IBM cloud, and can confirm this. They bought a cloud service, that by itself, and if left alone would been great. Soft(....something...) was the company... then IBM came and changed everything. I remember the SVP / President of ibm cloud showing up... talking 3 hours about how her son is so great and that we should 'follow' his example... after hour 3, man goes and interrupts and asks a question that w…

I’ve sat in an all hands like that before. Literally 50k$ an hour being wasted listening to some guy we’ll only ever see once talk about his sons 18th birthday.

Weird experience.

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Post by 0xbadcafebee »

saxonww wrote: post #14

I really expected that we'd see a change in my lifetime, that GPs in particular would be replaced by a lower-cost Watson descendant, with there being some other role for patient interaction, wet work, and data entry (perhaps just nurses). My mom worked for a GP for about 20 years, and it seemed to me that most of what made that guy a doctor was bedside manner + being able to remember a lot of things. But GPs often ma…

Medicine is a business. Its incentive is profit, not patient outcome. Everybody knows the problems with medicine and the solutions are straightforward. But they don't result in more profits, only better patient outcomes. So you only get advances when it increases profit.

Come up with a way for better patient outcomes to result in higher profits and you'll see advances in patient care real damn fast.

Re: IBM’s Watson Health is sold off in parts

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Post by ta988 »

jiscariot wrote: post #88
vishnugupta wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Last I heard they were dabbling in Blockchain. Atleast they were publicly making noise about it.

Marketed as Blockchain with Watson(TM) most likely.

Same salesman, same lobbying, same results.

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Post by nwsm »

civilized wrote: post #2

Who could have seen it coming? IBM created a machine that could win at Jeopardy, not a universal expert or problem solver. Say what you want about Google, but they didn't claim to solve any practical problems by creating AlphaZero.

Meanwhile Google is unfolding Google Health.

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Post by sofixa »

lokar wrote: post #79
jeremyjh wrote: post #60

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I think they still make a lot of money from their legacy business, z/OS & mainframes, DB/2 etc still run basically all large banks, insurance companies and many other types of businesses. IBM can charge whatever they want for the hardware and services to support these things because their customers have no alternative. So they have just been farming this for decades, and can afford not to succeed at anything else (so…

They also run th backed for major airline booking systems, and charge outrageous amounts.

The biggest airline booking system, Amadeus, can actually run on Kubernetes and some airlines are migrating to it.

Fun fact: a few years back Amadeus employees were in the top 15 of k8s contributors by company.

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Post by Aeolun »

chromatin wrote: post #83
wiz21c wrote: post #24

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> bedside manner + being able to remember a lot of things My impression is that accompanying a patient is super important, it helps to understand illness, to have a plan in case of more complex treatments, etc. Then my doctor has the ability to know me and gauge my health. She's also very good at probabilities and detecting when something really goes wrong. I'm sure that being able to do that require a lot more than…

It also helps to have a relationship with a patient (or person). There are some people who will never, ever complain about anything. When they complain of severe abdominal pain, for example, you pull out all the stops immediately to figure out what's wrong, because it's probably really bad. On the other hand, there are hypochondriacs and people will low pain tolerance. While they can certainly also become seriously i…

> On the other hand, there are hypochondriacs

That’s me. I really, really appreciate a GP that both understands that I’m not doing it on purpose, and can reassure me that nothing is wrong, or figure out that we actually do need more testing this time.

Unfortunately it’s been years since I had one like that :/

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Post by HaZeust »

wiz21c wrote: post #24
saxonww wrote: post #14

I really expected that we'd see a change in my lifetime, that GPs in particular would be replaced by a lower-cost Watson descendant, with there being some other role for patient interaction, wet work, and data entry (perhaps just nurses). My mom worked for a GP for about 20 years, and it seemed to me that most of what made that guy a doctor was bedside manner + being able to remember a lot of things. But GPs often ma…

> bedside manner + being able to remember a lot of things My impression is that accompanying a patient is super important, it helps to understand illness, to have a plan in case of more complex treatments, etc. Then my doctor has the ability to know me and gauge my health. She's also very good at probabilities and detecting when something really goes wrong. I'm sure that being able to do that require a lot more than…

Knowing the ontology of your patients and their risk is also a tenet of a doctor's job, but we can do it with AI too. Hell, ontological engineering had a revamp specifically so that we could have a standardized model to describe any and all "parts" of a "whole" in a way that machines could understand.

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Post by gitfan86 »

tormeh wrote: post #63
nickysielicki wrote: post #48

I do not understand how IBM stays in business. As far as I’m concerned the only cool engineering thing IBM does anymore is POWER, which has a sort of unique memory architecture but otherwise is well behind everyone else. What else did they do in my lifetime? They took a profitable RedHat and gutted it, they took the best Laptop line and sold it to Lenovo and almost ruined it, they tried to be a front runner in ML but…

Afaik they're a consultancy now. That means all their other activities are more or less just lead generation

They also do a lot of reselling. They will pitch some sort of cyber security upgrade to their client and after the client signs they will ask Akamai to onboard that client

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Post by rbobby »

riddleronroof wrote: post #96
nickysielicki wrote: post #48

I do not understand how IBM stays in business. As far as I’m concerned the only cool engineering thing IBM does anymore is POWER, which has a sort of unique memory architecture but otherwise is well behind everyone else. What else did they do in my lifetime? They took a profitable RedHat and gutted it, they took the best Laptop line and sold it to Lenovo and almost ruined it, they tried to be a front runner in ML but…

Because people who make that fatal decision read Gartner magic quadrants.

Hmm... maybe the magic in magic quadrants is in how they attract the sorts of people that will act on the information conveyed by the grid. Way better than an Ouija board for IT recommendations. Ouija is very hit and miss, really depends on what spirit you get connected with. Magic quadrants just work.

/lol

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