Live data from Hacker News

I cannot begin to tell you how proficient I am in Microsoft Word

newyorker.com

141–150 of 159 posts

Re: I cannot begin to tell you how proficient I am in Microsoft Word

#141
post #140
post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's faster because you don't have to stop to select the text, you just type continuously.

ctrl-i is stateful... typing ^isome text^i will get it in italics.

Yeah ok, that'd be better than selecting after the fact, but it's not "the same number of keystrokes". It breaks the flow a little, whereas using _ doesn't.

But if you don't like it, don't use it.

Re: I cannot begin to tell you how proficient I am in Microsoft Word

#142
post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would personally replace "Tools" with "Cognitive models". A hammer and a nail gun really don't differ all that much when your task is binding wood.

As someone in the trades, I really disagree. Most applications that require a hammer could not be accomplished with a nail gun. Nail guns are great for attaching thin materials over thicker materials, like putting MDX onto a frame or attaching roofing materials. You don't generally frame with a nail gun because you want to use larger and heavier nails driven a lot deeper. For very light or precision work on finished…

What the analogy proposes as that the cog models and tools sort of develop in tandem.

It's a logical step from a hammer to another driver because you have experience with the fundamental tools.

I would say that cognitive models develop more rapidly and we design tools to fill that space, occasionally developing a tool that can expand the space, usually by building on knowns.

Sorry to diminish your trade in particular :) It was the first thing that came to mind.

I hope that makes sense in context.

Re: I cannot begin to tell you how proficient I am in Microsoft Word

#143
post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With Excel its: Do you know arrays, UDFs, Solver, lookups, mastery over chart design, and cell formatting. With word it's basically: Can you do a mail merge and a table of contents? Congrats. You're an expert.

No. There is such a thing as proficiency in word processing. Most people don't use styles, or use them improperly, or modify every instance randomly. They use forced line breaks to adjust page breaks because they don't know about forced page breaks, or the "keep with next" paragraph setting. They've never heard of non-breaking space. They align numbers with spaces. They don't know that you can (and should) have accen…

To be fair: MSWord itself seems to know very little about ToC or ToC formatting. And pagination. And page numbering. The best that can be said for it is that it succeeds often enough that people do not all abandon it.

Re: I cannot begin to tell you how proficient I am in Microsoft Word

#144
post #88
post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. There is such a thing as proficiency in word processing. Most people don't use styles, or use them improperly, or modify every instance randomly. They use forced line breaks to adjust page breaks because they don't know about forced page breaks, or the "keep with next" paragraph setting. They've never heard of non-breaking space. They align numbers with spaces. They don't know that you can (and should) have accen…

> They can't navigate a paragraph or a line using home/end buttons. One of my biggest irritations in Word is that Ctrl-A/E don't go to the beginning/end of line. These key combinations (originally from Emacs) work on almost all input boxes on macOS. (IntelliJ is also an offender in this regard. Basically, any program that implements their own text boxes.)

Emacs, the lightweight markup format of your choice (org-mode for me), and Pandoc do a pretty good job of creating vanilla Word documents that don't have "weird" formatting embedded.

Sadly, it's a one-way trip, and collaborators usually can't be talked into adopting this arcane way of working.

But the emacs keybindings work flawlessly :-)

Re: I cannot begin to tell you how proficient I am in Microsoft Word

#145
post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assume it's Adobe InDesign, from working at a couple student-run publications in college (allows more precise control over how to format text) and one in high school. I hope an industry expert in publishing can chime in, but in the meantime, it looks like professional users in graphic design subreddits mostly use InDesign, followed by Microsoft Publisher [0][1]. Outside of Reddit sources, Creative Bloq also suggest…

Quark XPress used to be the best publishing software; then their CEO made a number of very bad decisions and they almost disappeared from the scene. The standard is now InDesign. It's very good but very expensive. Affinity Publisher is ok, lacks some advanced features, but is so cheap compared to InDesign it may as well be free. MS Publisher, I'm not sure. Never really heard about it in good or bad.

QuarkXpress was not able to preview images on the page for an embarrassingly long time. You would draw a box and import an image to it and it would just keep a box with an x in it to indicate that a picture will be there. You had to render a print preview to see the images.

Re: I cannot begin to tell you how proficient I am in Microsoft Word

#147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about “can programmatically generate word documents and xlsx files in Python”

In the context of this article, it is only impressive if you can do it in PowerShell. As an aside, doing it in PowerShell has one advantage - any Windows computer with Office installed can be used without any other dependency. A major disadvantage is that it is slow as molasses if you try to write more than a few hundred rows of data. FYI - we create (and sell) Excel spreadsheets full of data, one of which contains a…

If you use threading, cython to run as c or a cuda gpu library, and of course customize the memory/processor availability of Python, it would be a challenge worth taking. Most people who say Python is slow do not know much about optimizing it.

Re: I cannot begin to tell you how proficient I am in Microsoft Word

#148
post #11
post #5

This is nerd-shaming, and just as bad as other types of shaming.

I don’t see it as nerd shaming. It seems to be more poking fun at the skills people list on their résumés.

It seems to be more at people with real skills being drilled about their Word skills in an interview.

"Well it's nice that you have a few university degrees and 19 yeras of experience in journalism; how proficient are you in MS Word?"

"Oh, I can't even begin to tell you how! You better sit back and relax as this story takes us all the way back to Windows 95 ..."

Re: I cannot begin to tell you how proficient I am in Microsoft Word

#149

I cannot tell you how un productive I am in Microsoft Word. I use LaTeX, often in overleaf, often natively in linux, often on MacOS. Naturally, the latter has a Word version available in it and as a scientist at the interface of physics and biology/medicine I (un)fortunately have plenty of experience in both. Some of my colleagues carte-blanch refuse to try TeX (interestingly, I've never had a doctor refuse to write…

Word has the same built in scripting language as other Office applications, and you can use its object model if you like, as well as access anything else that a Windows system can do.

I don't know what the explanation is for people not liking Word, but it can't be "because I like writing code to produce documents and LaTeX is the only option for that".

Re: I cannot begin to tell you how proficient I am in Microsoft Word

#150
post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Emacs is criticised for its very steep learning curve, not just for being different.

(Shallow learning curve. A steep learning curve means you acquire proficiency quickly—imagine a graph of proficiency over time.)

Why can't I put time on the Y axis?
Post reply on HN