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Israel police uses NSO’s Pegasus to spy on citizens

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Re: Israel police uses NSO’s Pegasus to spy on citizens

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This is not grounded in reality. Arab citizens can vote and participate, and there are Arab parties in Israeli government. If you want to see an apartheid, go look at any other country in the middle east. Let's see how Jewish representation looks there...?

you forgot about palestine.

They are their own government, with their own people, who readily elected a terrorist group to leadership.

Re: Israel police uses NSO’s Pegasus to spy on citizens

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Israel is its own nation and it isn't America's business what it does to its own citizens. However, their tools are used on American without warrants. It would be in our interests as citizens to flag all employees of NSO as spies and try them.

> Israel is its own nation and it isn't America's business what it does to its own citizens. I would argue that as long as Israel is lobbying the US to make it illegal for Americans to boycott Israel it is in fact our business https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-BDS_laws > The spread of anti-BDS laws in U.S. states is largely due to the lobbying of the Israel Allies Foundation (IAF), an umbrella group of Israel lobb…

BDS != The only way to criticize Israel. Lobbing against BDS has a pretty simple cause...

From the same page:

> ... A dozen local and national parliaments have passed symbolic resolutions condemning BDS. Most of these condemnations have alleged that BDS is anti-Semitic.

Austria, Canada, France, Germany, Spain...

Re: Israel police uses NSO’s Pegasus to spy on citizens

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The Israeli government and former government ministers also fund propaganda orgs on American soil, CAMERA and Hasbara Fellowships to name two. You could even say that every US election has been compromised by well-funded, successful foreign propaganda operations since at least 1982!

Can voters do anything to reduce the influence of foreign governments like Israel and Saudi Arabia in the US government?

Re: Israel police uses NSO’s Pegasus to spy on citizens

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Israel is its own nation and it isn't America's business what it does to its own citizens. However, their tools are used on American without warrants. It would be in our interests as citizens to flag all employees of NSO as spies and try them.

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Re: Israel police uses NSO’s Pegasus to spy on citizens

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post #145
post #104

The Israeli government and former government ministers also fund propaganda orgs on American soil, CAMERA and Hasbara Fellowships to name two. You could even say that every US election has been compromised by well-funded, successful foreign propaganda operations since at least 1982!

Can voters do anything to reduce the influence of foreign governments like Israel and Saudi Arabia in the US government?

> Can voters do anything to reduce the influence of foreign governments like Israel and Saudi Arabia in the US government?

Citizens can, but it may require action beyond that as voters, and more especially beyond that as voters in general elections.

Re: Israel police uses NSO’s Pegasus to spy on citizens

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post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Israel is its own nation and it isn't America's business what it does to its own citizens. I would argue that as long as Israel is lobbying the US to make it illegal for Americans to boycott Israel it is in fact our business https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-BDS_laws > The spread of anti-BDS laws in U.S. states is largely due to the lobbying of the Israel Allies Foundation (IAF), an umbrella group of Israel lobb…

BDS != The only way to criticize Israel. Lobbing against BDS has a pretty simple cause... From the same page: > ... A dozen local and national parliaments have passed symbolic resolutions condemning BDS. Most of these condemnations have alleged that BDS is anti-Semitic. Austria, Canada, France, Germany, Spain...

Do you believe boycotting is protected speech?

Do you believe American citizens should be allowed to choose who they boycott?

Re: Israel police uses NSO’s Pegasus to spy on citizens

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I wish America was the sort of nation that would sanction them for using draconian surveillance of their own citizens. Unfortunately Israel is effectively politically sanction-proof - even for much more abhorrent policies and actions.

Israel is the 3rd largest recipient of US foreign aid receiving 3.2 Billion in US tax dollars in 2017 with only Iraq and Afghanistan receiving more. Reducing foreign aid while America is floundering would be a small step to the road of recovery.

First, putting aside Israel for a second. I understand the urge to reduce foreign aid while we're running deficits (I assume is what you mean by "floundering"), but think of foreign aid as diplomacy. We need both hard (military) and soft (aid, donations, etc.) diplomacy. If any thing, the bang for buck is higher with soft diplomacy. Hard diplomacy is very expensive.

Second, Israel is a shining example of a robust democracy in a part of the world that is more or less run by kleptomaniacs and dictators. Israel's politics -- especially with the coalition government -- serves as a role model for citizens of other countries. I think it seems reasonable that we extend foreign aid to them.

It pays off in the long run.

Re: Israel police uses NSO’s Pegasus to spy on citizens

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post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

BDS != The only way to criticize Israel. Lobbing against BDS has a pretty simple cause... From the same page: > ... A dozen local and national parliaments have passed symbolic resolutions condemning BDS. Most of these condemnations have alleged that BDS is anti-Semitic. Austria, Canada, France, Germany, Spain...

Do you believe boycotting is protected speech? Do you believe American citizens should be allowed to choose who they boycott?

I do. But I don't if it's anti-Semitic. And that's the whole question. Seems like many agree it's the latter.
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