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Post by yonaguska »

tootie wrote: post #120
yonaguska wrote: post #116

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You just live in a completely different world. One side sees Jan 6 as an insurrection, the other side sees it as a modern day Reichstag fire. Republicans cannot actually abandon the latter narrative, because so much of their base see the election as actually stolen. Anecdotally, I have friends that voted for Biden and still don't believe the election was legitimate. The failures of the the current administration and…

Concerned parents labelled terrorists? False: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/oct/18/instagram-... You (and your friends if they are real) are propaganda victims.

https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/judiciary_rep...

Here you will see that the FBI counter terrorism team was spurred by that Oct 4 letter to start tracking potential threats that concerned parents posed. So no, he didn't technically call them terrorists, he just had the counter-terrorism team activated to look for terrorists.

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Post by clarge1120 »

davesque wrote: post #129
commandlinefan wrote: post #41

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if the republicans nominate anybody except for Trump. A lot of us suspect they’re going to try to tie this to Trump to bar him from ever holding office again. If so, they’ll have won the battle but lost the war - but honestly, I suspect they’re all political insiders (democrats and republicans alike) and really don’t care much which party holds power as long as it’s one of them.

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Unhinged psychopath. Flammable language.

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Post by ModernMech »

Rebelgecko wrote: post #103
ModernMech wrote: post #69

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Kind of, yes. The people voted democratically to elect Joe Biden as President in November. The Constitution and laws say that he becomes President Elect on Jan 6. That's the law. People vote -> President elect on Jan 6, President on Jan 20. What happened on Jan 6 was that the transition of power was, for a number of hours, prevented through violent means. Thank God two things happened on Jan 6: (1) Mike Pence refused…

Didn't the certification end up taking until January 7th anyways? IMO the bulk of the impact was purely symbolic. Even though Congress didn't declare Biden president-elect on the assigned day, his inauguration still happened on schedule.

In fact they reconvened in the evening on Jan 6, and finished the proceedings by 3:30 am on Jan 7. And it's true they managed to get the confirmation done, but that's not quite the point -- the point is why they had to be doing it that late in the first place. The reason is, that this purely symbolic event is anything but; it transmutes the winner of the election into president elect. It marks the beginning of the transition of power, when the president elect begins assuming the powers of their future office. This preliminary title comes with real powers like the ability to see classified information, and increased protections.

It's also completely irreversible. It turns out, the easiest way to prevent a president from being inaugurated on Jan 20 is to prevent them from becoming president elect on Jan 6. There's a real question as to who would ever have the Constitutional authority to undo that, because all the objections are assumed to have been settled through the process on Jan 6. After that it's a done deal. I would say Jan 20 is the more purely symbolic event of the two dates, because by then the authority of the new executive is more firmly established.

And we can't brush past the fact that there was a delay, no matter how brief. The few hour delay could have easily been multiple days if Pence had left the Capitol, and it could have changed the political calculus in terms of states deciding to decertify their elections. Multiple days could have easily turned into multiple weeks as the Justice system moves at a snail's pace, and then suddenly it's Jan 20 without a decision on the election.

If that were to have happened, the House would have voted and with a majority of delegations Republicans would have chosen Trump.

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Post by Bhilai »

leetcrew wrote: post #88
Bhilai wrote: post #15

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Man, I wish I could vote for some sane republicans but as its turning out their complicity or silence on Jan 6 is making me believe that entire party is unhinged like Trump.

it's not clever to go out of your way to piss off the base of the last guy from your team that won. clearly the democrats understand that, seeing as we are currently experiencing Obama's third term.

Tired of this dont piss the crowd who lost line of thinking. Well, the crowd who won in a fair election is also pissed because the side who lost doesn't want to accept their defeat and move on.

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Post by Bhilai »

tootie wrote: post #118
Bhilai wrote: post #15

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Man, I wish I could vote for some sane republicans but as its turning out their complicity or silence on Jan 6 is making me believe that entire party is unhinged like Trump.

IMO, the most sane and moderate republicans are still pretty miserable on policy. Anyone who isn't all in on climate change is endangering the world.

Yeah, its almost as if Republicans in both chambers just dont even have proper policy proposals anymore. All they do is obstructionism and grand standing.

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Post by Ardon »

barney54 wrote: post #126
Ardon wrote: post #16

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But this subpoena has nothing to do with the first amendment, they're demanding for more records, not levying a penalty for not removing these people.

Not necessarily. The First Amendment is implicated if the federal government is trying to get these companies to act on their behalf and censor speech.

Right, but this subpoena isn't doing that. The 'inadequate response' in the title of the post is referring to the companies' response to congress' request for data, not saying the companies' response to the speech on their platform was inadequate.

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Post by benpiper »

Ever heard of the McCarthy hearings? We went from "everyone we don't like must be a communist" to "everyone who says people cheat at elections is spreading misinformation." This pearl-clutching over "misinformation" is tiresome and pathetic.

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Post by akomtu »

guerrilla wrote: post #14
oxymoran wrote: post #4

Man, the democrats are really trying to hand republicans every election for the next decade.

Not that I disagree, but how does this particular thing factor into that?

This Jan6 committee doesn't look legit, to be honest. Issuing subpoenas and jail time for ignoring those subpoenas is the courts' territory. I dont understand how a bunch of legislators, who were elected to write laws, created an "emergency committee" with judical and executive powers.

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Post by hammock »

etataetaet wrote: post #127
satronaut wrote: post #93

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Almost no one (~5%) agree with lawmakers being able to trade stocks. This is one of the few things that basically all Americans agree on. https://thehill.com/homenews/news/588630-76-percent-of-voter...

Voter ID is another one of those issues many don't want you to know that most Americans agree on: https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2021/06/21/80-of-a...
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