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Welcome to Waifu Labs v2: How Do AIs Create?

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Re: Welcome to Waifu Labs v2: How Do AIs Create?

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Post by GoblinSlayer »

liuru wrote: post #2

Hey HN, one of the team members here! I hope you all enjoy playing with the new and improved generator! We've been hard at work improving the model quality since the last time the site was posted[1] As both a professional fantasy illustrator & software engineer, I find the concept of AI creativity so fascinating. On one hand, I know that mathematically AI only can hallucinate images that fit within the distribution o…

Would you try to create a new style? Train the discriminator on the score tag of danbooru dataset, then use it to rate the generator's style, this way it should be able to create a new style.

Re: Welcome to Waifu Labs v2: How Do AIs Create?

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Kuinox wrote: post #140

It's funny how people complained about github copilot 'stealing' people code, but nobody here complained about this AI 'stealing' artworks. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against this, but I think we should start discusing morality of AI generated content, even if it doesn't train on existing artworks/code.

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Re: Welcome to Waifu Labs v2: How Do AIs Create?

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Post by Terry_Roll »

liuru wrote: post #2

Hey HN, one of the team members here! I hope you all enjoy playing with the new and improved generator! We've been hard at work improving the model quality since the last time the site was posted[1] As both a professional fantasy illustrator & software engineer, I find the concept of AI creativity so fascinating. On one hand, I know that mathematically AI only can hallucinate images that fit within the distribution o…

I wonder what an AI trained to spot deepfake Waifu's will detect.

In humans, things like the pupil can be the give away.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2289815-ai-can-detect-a...

Re: Welcome to Waifu Labs v2: How Do AIs Create?

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Post by GoblinSlayer »

blackbrokkoli wrote: post #116
numpad0 wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't quite understand the need to mandate racial caricaturizations in every modes of communication. I would find it upsetting if every pieces of texts and quotes were prefaced with an "origin" indicator to aid forming prejudices. Why have it in manga?

If you are part of a marginalized group, it is both nice to the individual and productive for societal-level integration if you find yourself represented in media, especially if it's a generator with a promise of "generate anyone ". No one here is mandating shit, GP asked a friendly question in a most respectful manner, which prompted an informative answer from OP even. If such interaction generates such an allergic…

What do you want to tell an otaku about marginalized groups?

Re: Welcome to Waifu Labs v2: How Do AIs Create?

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Post by CuriousCosmic »

liuru wrote: post #2

Hey HN, one of the team members here! I hope you all enjoy playing with the new and improved generator! We've been hard at work improving the model quality since the last time the site was posted[1] As both a professional fantasy illustrator & software engineer, I find the concept of AI creativity so fascinating. On one hand, I know that mathematically AI only can hallucinate images that fit within the distribution o…

Something I was wondering but couldn't find on the site: What is the license for the generated works through the project?

Re: Welcome to Waifu Labs v2: How Do AIs Create?

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Post by capableweb »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #134
bmitc wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Art isn't about statical copying or drawing well. It's about human expression.

I hear what you're saying, but at the same time, there's a ton of mass-produced, low-creativity art out there, where the objective is not to express oneself but to churn out products with the intent to make money. This is not just in artwork, but in other design based things like e.g. website designs as well.

There is definitely a difference between art and mass-produced art. In the beginning, we only had art as an expression of human creativity, and it's not until later that we got mass-produced art, whose only goal is to provide profits for the author(s). It'd be useful to distinguish the two in conversations like this.

Re: Welcome to Waifu Labs v2: How Do AIs Create?

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Post by capableweb »

plutonorm wrote: post #93
bmitc wrote: post #74

This isn't really creativity is it? I like to call stuff like this statistical copying, and indeed, the linked Wikipedia article on GANs says: > Given a training set, this technique learns to generate new data with the same statistics as the training set. There isn't a creative process here nor any creative introspection going on. While the technical results are impressive, this article does not address creativity ev…

What makes you think human creativity is anything more than statistical modelling? What else can it be, based as it is in a physical substrate? Objections like yours are usually a sneaky way of implying that human consciousness breaks free of the physical world, cartesian dualism hidden within people's arguments. "It cannot be creative because it's only bits/cogs/linear algebra/etc/etc." Well describe to me the way i…

> What makes you think human creativity is anything more than statistical modelling?

Our ability to make the decision between following the rules and breaking the rules, when suitable. A computer could also break the rules, but in most cases it wouldn't make sense or look like good, while a human could make judgement about when to break the rule. Sure, we all learn by copying, but after a while, we start getting a feel for when to break the rule, and that's when unique art appears. Computers seems to not have learned this fact yet (or rather, haven't been taught that yet).

Using the tool that this submission offers, all the results will look similar and can be traced back to the training set you give it. Do something similar with a human (over similar amount of time that the machine got, in terms of human time) and eventually the results will look way different than the training set, as what we see with artists in real life.

Re: Welcome to Waifu Labs v2: How Do AIs Create?

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Post by GoblinSlayer »

jhanschoo wrote: post #69
numlock86 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, there is (or rather was) "ganguro" at least, which appeared in mangas an animes occasionally, too. Not sure how many people would be getting offended by that these days, though.

Ganguro is associated with a certain Japanese subculture and aesthetic, and not meant at all to represent darker-skinned races. There are works that feature a more diverse cast, but perhaps the proportion of representation accurately reflects what you would see in Japanese society.

In anime specifically dark skin can be more associated with demons, monster girls and dark elves than humans though :)
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