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Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Re: Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Post by dagw »

nobrains wrote: post #56
iso1210 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was at an election briefing at a large media organisation a few years ago, one of the chief editors told the journalists "We can't stop you using vox pops, but please don't use them much" and that (paraphrasing) "they are usually awful, we know they add color but they detract from the story and become the story" Of course "Person confirming stereotype" attracts clicks and shares, is easy to do, and that's good for…

Man-on-the-street interviews should record the entire footage for transparency, without any cuts, for transparency, so that the audience can know which opinions were kept and which were removed.

so that the audience can know which opinions were kept and which were removed.

Let's be honest, you already know that just from the context of the question and which show is doing the interview. If the audience is deceived it's only because they want to be.

Re: Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Post by philliphaydon »

rnmwfQ3f wrote: post #74
kinghtown wrote: post #17

I live in Taiwan. Very, very few people here are pro-PRC. Tons of Taiwanese people love China and culturally consider themselves Chinese (to be clear, not Chinese citizens.) The vast majority of people disagree on if they should either give up and surrender to the PRC because they may launch missiles or invade once they have a non-laughing stock navy, avoid a bloody war, or if China wouldn’t dare to do that because i…

My wife is Taiwanese, so I can confirm Taiwanese and Chinese get along fine. Many marriages, friendships and business partnerships cross the Taiwan Strait. However Taiwanese people don't use their passport to travel to China. China doesn't recognise it. They are issued a travel permit by the PRC, similar to citizens of Hong Kong and Macau.

Not only that. You can’t just travel from China to Taiwan. It’s a bit difficult. Most people must travel as part of a tour group. Unless it’s business or you have family to sponsor you or something like that. Basically you can’t just jump on a plane and have a holiday in Taiwan from China.

Re: Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Post by dagw »

medstrom wrote: post #114
sverhagen wrote: post #62

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Eventually they'll figure out at what street corner to stand to find people with the leanings they want to film, if they're intent on coloring the reporting. At some point you'll also have to let go and trust the reporter or the outlet they work for, which admittedly is an increasingly challenging decision, these days.

Don't even have to do that, literally everyone passing them by could have been instructed on what to say, out-of-view. If there's a solution it's probably something akin to research preregistration.

If there's a solution

Isn't what you're asking for just polling?

Re: Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Post by denton-scratch »

LAC-Tech wrote: post #57
ekianjo wrote: post #31

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It's journalism by selective editing. Fairly widespread practice.

Fairly widespread is undercutting it. It's universal practice. People hold journalists to crazy high standards of integrity and soothsaying, and the older I get the more it boggles the mind that grown adults still cling on to this. Journalists work for private corporations who write things for a target audience to make money. That's all there is to it.

> Journalists work for private corporations

Indeed - that's the drift of Manufacturing Consensus.

To add to that: TV journalism is a form of entertainment, especially sofa-chat news-lite and vox-pop. Vox-pop, especially, is always manipulative. Interviewees always seem to be idiots, because audiences don't want to feel more stupid than the "man on the street". The information content of a vox-pop segment is zero.

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Post by arcticfox »

somedude895 wrote: post #78
laurieg wrote: post #27

I once interpreted for a crew recording "man on the street" interviews. I had no experience working in TV, I was a last minute replacement. At the beginning of the day, the producer listed the opinions he wanted to get. "Ok, we'll get a middle aged guy who says this, a younger couple saying something along these lines". He knew exactly what he wanted at the start of the day. There were three camera crews working most…

I only really noticed this when I watched Making a Murderer on Netflix. After each episode my opinion switched between "They were definitely set up by the police" and "They're definitely guilty." If the show had ended after one or the other episode I would have probably firmly held either view. Definitely impacted the trust I put in any media. Or rather the trust in myself to not be manipulated.

I'm also there with you, that was quite the roller coaster and impacted my trust fairly deeply. Although the totality of the evidence made that one pretty clear to me after researching further than the show; I felt like there was some bad faith cherry-picking going on, which is extremely effective on me but only while it lasts.

A similar series with all the levers cranked to the maximum is "Killer Ratings" on Netflix - just an unbelievable story out of Brazil that left me questioning everything. And that one I couldn't resolve in my head; it still bothers me today.

Re: Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Post by rwmj »

sverhagen wrote: post #62
nobrains wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Man-on-the-street interviews should record the entire footage for transparency, without any cuts, for transparency, so that the audience can know which opinions were kept and which were removed.

Eventually they'll figure out at what street corner to stand to find people with the leanings they want to film, if they're intent on coloring the reporting. At some point you'll also have to let go and trust the reporter or the outlet they work for, which admittedly is an increasingly challenging decision, these days.

They don't need to do that. Interviewing people on the street already selects for the kind of people who wander around shopping malls in the middle of a weekday, ie those who don't work 9-5, very much not a cross-section of society. The sooner vox pops disappear altogether the better.

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Post by denton-scratch »

hdjjhhvvhga wrote: post #55
laurieg wrote: post #27

I once interpreted for a crew recording "man on the street" interviews. I had no experience working in TV, I was a last minute replacement. At the beginning of the day, the producer listed the opinions he wanted to get. "Ok, we'll get a middle aged guy who says this, a younger couple saying something along these lines". He knew exactly what he wanted at the start of the day. There were three camera crews working most…

I was once interviewed for a national TV channel about the security of open and proprietary systems. Since I wanted to present a balanced view, I started with a disclaimer, saying that open source can not be equated with a higher level of security by itself, but then I proceeded to present a couple of arguments about the advantages of open systems, and I specifically stressed the need for crucial communications compo…

I've had a similar experience. I'll never submit to a vox-pop interview again; they presented my remarks out of context, and manipulated me.

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Post by jabbany »

schappim wrote: post #39
spoonjim wrote: post #25

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What are the elements of "Chinese culture" that persist in Taiwan and were eliminated in Mainland China?

Some elements that come to mind: - Traditional Chinese characters used more often in Taiwan than Mainland China. - Yayue (3,000 years old Chinese court music). - Taiwanese recreation of Tang Dynasty dances. - In Taiwan poems are composed/written/recited in Hokkien, on the mainland it is done in Mandarin. - The preservation of uninterrupted institutional religion (eg Daoist priests) that was largely shutdown in China.…

Some of these are not the best examples...

- Character simplification: This was a part of a wider progressive movement in the Sinosphere in general. Traditional characters were seen back then as a hinderance to raising literacy rates. In fact, the mainland's stance here follows that of Korea (which completely got rid of Hanja) and Japan (which tried, and failed, to completely remove Kanji). This was not done because the traditional characters are "old-fashioned" but rather to get the vast rural population to be able to read.

- Hokkien: This is a regional dialect imported from southern mainland China to Taiwan long before the civil war that split the two apart. After the war, regional dialects were suppressed _both_ in the mainland _and_ in Taiwan in favor of Mandarin (which is a northern dialect that was imported into Taiwan during the KMT retreat and rule). The suppression worked quite well in both places, where Mandarin has since displaced regional dialects for most matters of life. In recent years, Taiwan has made lots of efforts to bring back Hokkien to distinguish itself from the mainland, but this is actually a fairly recent development...

- Ceremonies at temples: This fell out of favor mostly because Communist parties everywhere have been progressive for the most part of history and like most progressive parties everywhere tended to de-emphasize religion. While most past leaders of the CCP stuck with this, Xi has actually moved the CCP to become much more _conservative_ (reinstating a lot of religious/traditional holidays in place of western ones) so I actually wouldn't be surprised at all if at some point Xi did start to re-introduce Confucian ceremonies as a part of a revival of a more conservative form of nationalism.

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Post by scrollaway »

matsemann wrote: post #99
nobrains wrote: post #56

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Man-on-the-street interviews should record the entire footage for transparency, without any cuts, for transparency, so that the audience can know which opinions were kept and which were removed.

Reminds me of a movie I saw as a kid. Can't remember the exact situation. But some celebrity, super-hero or whatever got asked by a journalist something ala "why did you say you hate this city?" and they answered "I have never said 'I hate this city'". Then what was aired was the last of that sentence, only the 'I hate this city' part.

Arrested development has this gag as well with “I killed Earl Milford”. Here it is:

https://youtu.be/41mYxGQL1qg

Re: Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Post by platinumrad »

logotype wrote: post #139
vlkr wrote: post #35

I wonder how many accounts the chinese state maintains on hackernews to upvote/downvote post and comments. It's an easy way to influence the public opinion and hard to expose.

It is absolutely without any doubt happening on HN and I have previously been banned trying to point it out.

Do you have any evidence, or just paranoid delusions?
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