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Re: noDRM's GitHub repo DeDRM_tools is disabled due to Readium's DMCA notice

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Post by R0b0t1 »

wtallis wrote: post #99
R0b0t1 wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope, the law contradicts itself. In such a conflict it is typical to favor the consumer.

Can you point out the contradicting bits?

The law allows people to circumvent copy protection to access works they are entitled to access. There is also a provision against sharing copy protection breaking methods.

I never interpreted them as clashing, merely that I can't knowingly share copy breaking mechanisms with people who are unauthorized to use a work. If they do clash then you have to side with the consumer.

Re: noDRM's GitHub repo DeDRM_tools is disabled due to Readium's DMCA notice

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Post by syshum »

roastedpeacock wrote: post #85
perihelions wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What happens if you print out the source code and publish it as a book? Can the courts prohibit a book? Phil Zimmermann asked this question in the context of export controls on "cryptography technology", i.e. the PGP software. MIT Press published the source code in 1995. But the US dropped its objections and this wasn't specifically tested in court (AFAIK, though similar questions were). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki…

Do not think this has been tested under the DMCA statute unfortunately. The closest parallel was when 2600 Magazine was prevented from publishing DeCSS on their website by a court decision. https://www.eff.org/pages/unintended-consequences-fifteen-ye...

DMCA can not superseded the 1st amendment, sorry

There would be no test, it is plain and clear violation to prohibit it, just like the crytowars case, which is why the DOJ dropped it

Re: noDRM's GitHub repo DeDRM_tools is disabled due to Readium's DMCA notice

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Post by syshum »

lobocinza wrote: post #59
tadfisher wrote: post #11

Damn. I rely on this software to read ebooks on my Remarkable tablet. I do this because I like giving at least a few pennies of royalty percentage to the author, and as far as I understand it, it's legal on my end to circumvent DRM for the sole purpose of interoperability for my legally-purchased content. Of course, if they really don't want my money, there's always libgen.

This might impact on availability of new titles on Libgen.

AntiDRM is Hydra...

Cut off one head, 100 grow back. All these efforts by copyright maximalist do is free recruitment for the Anti-Copyright crowd

Every enforcement action they make, stronger the animosity towards copyright grows, their short term gains, will prove to be their downfall

Re: noDRM's GitHub repo DeDRM_tools is disabled due to Readium's DMCA notice

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Post by easrng »

toyg wrote: post #102
not2b wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't matter if it is clean room or not. In the US, it isn't legal to share anti-DRM technology. Perhaps you could get some court to decide that this law violates the 1st Amendment, but that would be an uphill climb. People shouldn't host anti-DRM stuff on any US site.

> People shouldn't host anti-DRM stuff on any US site. This is the right answer. On this, I'm somewhat surprised that nobody in Russia/China/Iran/NK/$OtherCountryThatDoesntCareForRelationsWithUSA has built a "GitHub for shady programs" yet - or if they have, it has not gone mainstream yet, I admit to not being up-to-date with "the scene". It's fairly ridiculous that you'd publish hacking tools on a Microsoft-owned si…

There was https://git.rip but the creator got raided for other hacktivism and it was seized. (They need help with legal bills, donate at https://arson.cat)

Re: noDRM's GitHub repo DeDRM_tools is disabled due to Readium's DMCA notice

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Post by Fire-Dragon-DoL »

Mindwipe wrote: post #135
stjohnswarts wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

depends on what country you live in. Not everyone lives in the USA

> depends on what country you live in. Not everyone lives in the USA As anti-DRM circumvention laws are a requirement of membership of the WTO, there are very few functioning countries that do not have them. The US law is not exceptional, nor even particularly stringent in this area.

I'm pretty sure you are allowed to "rip dvds" (and circumvent their protection in the process) to do so, for backup, in Italy. I think it might apply to the whole EU, but I could be wrong

Re: noDRM's GitHub repo DeDRM_tools is disabled due to Readium's DMCA notice

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Post by lobocinza »

syshum wrote: post #143
lobocinza wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This might impact on availability of new titles on Libgen.

AntiDRM is Hydra... Cut off one head, 100 grow back. All these efforts by copyright maximalist do is free recruitment for the Anti-Copyright crowd Every enforcement action they make, stronger the animosity towards copyright grows, their short term gains, will prove to be their downfall

Amen!

Re: noDRM's GitHub repo DeDRM_tools is disabled due to Readium's DMCA notice

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Post by mindslight »

Buttons840 wrote: post #78
DarkmSparks wrote: post #33

Personally I'm actually of the opinion that people should just forget about working around DRM preventing legal access to content and just forget about DRM encumbered content altogether. Having work arounds adds value to otherwise worthless file formats. Dont support it, dont recommend it. dont even talk about it other than to say "meh, DRM'd you couldnt pay me enough to use it". Quite an extreme stance I know, but t…

You remind me of a relative I've lost nearly all connection with because he now has a hard line stance on DRM. We used to watch movies and enjoy talking about them, but he wont watch anything that requires streaming. And worse, we used to enjoy playing the same video games and talking about them, but he wont use Steam, and he wont purchase video game consoles anymore. I share his concerns, but when I weight my choice…

Tell him to up his game and use torrents already. It might not help for games (I think Steam has done a pretty effective job of pulling people into its gravity). But it would certainly fix the divide over movies.

Unless of course he's using it as a way of avoiding getting sucked into too much entertainment in general. But there is such a thing as moderation.

Re: noDRM's GitHub repo DeDRM_tools is disabled due to Readium's DMCA notice

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Post by [deleted] »

arhomberg wrote: post #122

I find it quite disheartening that nobody (or at least very few people in this thread) have looked who the complainant(s) actually are, i.e. the European Digital Reading Lab (EDRL) and (indirectly) the Readium foundation, both of which are community–driven non-profit organisation, operating on very modest budgets. The Readium LCP software system (as distinct from the Readium the reading applications) was created a co…

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Re: noDRM's GitHub repo DeDRM_tools is disabled due to Readium's DMCA notice

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Post by [deleted] »

julielit wrote: post #139

Why do we use DeDRM tools or equivalent? to be able to move a file from one ereader to another, from another brand; to feel that we "own" ebooks we have "bought"; to be sure that we keep ebooks in case the booksellers goes off-market; to be able to give and ebook we bought to a few friends. What does kindle and other proprietary DRMs offer? none of it. What do companies adopting Readium LCP offer? all of the above. T…

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Re: noDRM's GitHub repo DeDRM_tools is disabled due to Readium's DMCA notice

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Post by Mindwipe »

Fire-Dragon-DoL wrote: post #145
Mindwipe wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> depends on what country you live in. Not everyone lives in the USA As anti-DRM circumvention laws are a requirement of membership of the WTO, there are very few functioning countries that do not have them. The US law is not exceptional, nor even particularly stringent in this area.

I'm pretty sure you are allowed to "rip dvds" (and circumvent their protection in the process) to do so, for backup, in Italy. I think it might apply to the whole EU, but I could be wrong

No, you aren't. Italy has an anti-circumvention law that expressly prohibits this, and that law is a codification of an EU directive common across the entire EU.

You are allowed backup unprotected DVDs in Italy, but not protected ones.

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