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Re: Bob Saget has died

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Post by ses1984 »

WalterBright wrote: post #105
MisterBastahrd wrote: post #102

The thing about the comedy business is that even if the comedians aren't necessarily politically aligned, they usually have a certain amount of base respect for each other because of how grueling it is to make it big and sustain success in that business. I know that Saget was very well respected in the industry among people whose opinions would matter to regular people. Saget was particularly talented because his min…

Isn't it sad there's an assumption that if people aren't politically aligned, they don't respect each other? I have many friends and family members who are not aligned with my political views at all. I'd never let politics get in the way of that. After all, what is accomplished by avoiding someone because you don't agree with their views?

It's one thing to not be aligned, it's another to be aligned oppositely.

I find it draining to spend time with my in laws who support Trump but can't actually explain why (probably because they don't want to sound like humongous bigots).

They assert "please don't talk politics around us or our family we don't like it" but make politically charged statements from time to time. If anything even slightly resembling confrontation occurs, like asking someone where they heard something, the matriarch on the other side is likely to cry.

Re: Bob Saget has died

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Post by atonse »

firefoxd wrote: post #127

In the early 90s, in Saudi Arabia, there were two national tv channels. Channel 1 and Channel 2. During the month of Ramadan, right after we break our fast, we would run to the tv room and tune in to channel 2. A spotlight would frame a door and the announcer would go, "...ladies and gentlemen, Bob Saget!" He would walk in with his signature suit and greet the crowd. America's funniest home video was one of the few A…

I love the idea of a whole population having this shared experience, whatever the reason might be. There’s an unwritten sense of community there.

Similarly, growing up in the 80s in India, there was basically one channel and a similar shared sense of community. Everyone remembers certain ads, certain shows, theme songs, certain hosts. Everyone’s Sunday morning routine was watching certain shows.

Maybe it’s mostly nostalgia but there is that sense of shared experience that we lack now.

I’ve read the same from Zeynep Tufekci about a belly dance performance that used to happen every Xmas in Turkey.

Re: Bob Saget has died

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Post by dreamcompiler »

awillen wrote: post #14

Truly one of the Aristocrats of comedy. RIP.

The Aristocrats is my favorite comedy documentary -- not that there are many of them. Saget gives the most memorable performance of the show. He's truly gifted as a filthy standup comedian. If you only know him from Full House, this movie shows what he can do when the filters are off.

Re: Bob Saget has died

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Post by aklemm »

kcplate wrote: post #98
eyelidlessness wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m… probably more uptight than most people about respectful humor. And while I wouldn’t say this is totally in the clear, and I don’t have full recall of the joke, it’s certainly one that could be delivered with respect. And at least to my mind it defaults to “punching up”, in this case the butt of the joke being foolish men who would draw that conclusion in the first place. It’s been several years since I’ve watche…

My attitude is if it’s funny I laugh at it, whether offensive or not. However I recognize in this day and age there is a certain sort that will be offended. I caveat for no other reason than to acknowledge that I am aware of all the downvotes I am going to get…and don’t care.

So brave! But seriously, how can you post so confidently that funny is somehow objective and that you get it when others don’t? That in itself is a joke, so we’ll-played, I guess?

Re: Bob Saget has died

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Post by kcplate »

aklemm wrote: post #144
kcplate wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My attitude is if it’s funny I laugh at it, whether offensive or not. However I recognize in this day and age there is a certain sort that will be offended. I caveat for no other reason than to acknowledge that I am aware of all the downvotes I am going to get…and don’t care.

So brave! But seriously, how can you post so confidently that funny is somehow objective and that you get it when others don’t? That in itself is a joke, so we’ll-played, I guess?

Of course humor is objective. Do you think honestly it isn’t? Pretty sure there is no “universal humor truth” out there.

Also not sure what’s brave about posting about laughing about something possibly controversial when you don’t care about the consequences. I don’t care if I am down or up voted on anything I post. My self worth is not tied to any social scoring system.

Re: Bob Saget has died

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Post by whistlecrackers »

voidfunc wrote: post #117
WalterBright wrote: post #105

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Isn't it sad there's an assumption that if people aren't politically aligned, they don't respect each other? I have many friends and family members who are not aligned with my political views at all. I'd never let politics get in the way of that. After all, what is accomplished by avoiding someone because you don't agree with their views?

Is it? We are reaching a point where one particular political alignment is basically interested in setting us back pre-1950's in terms of rights and liberties. Hard to remain respectful of anyone who subscribes to that.

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Re: Bob Saget has died

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Post by dmix »

mrcwinn wrote: post #57
dmix wrote: post #6

Not to speak poorly of someone who died but anyone who watched his stand up comedy or listened to him on 'shock jock' radio would never call him "America's Dad". He got off on being the total opposite of his image on TV and being a 'wild and crazy' foul mouthed. drug using type of person. Just like how he was in his cameo in Entourage.

He was never required to live life in a way consistent with a character he played on television. He didn’t “get off” on anything. He had a brand of comedy that he enjoyed and his audience enjoyed it too. That brand didn’t play well for mainstream television, but then again it’s a paying job. By most accounts I’ve ever come across over the years, he was respected and liked by peers. Certainly some compassion at the mo…

He used that for shock value constant in his shows. He definitely exploited it every chance he got.

Re: Bob Saget has died

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Post by [deleted] »

dmix wrote: post #6

Not to speak poorly of someone who died but anyone who watched his stand up comedy or listened to him on 'shock jock' radio would never call him "America's Dad". He got off on being the total opposite of his image on TV and being a 'wild and crazy' foul mouthed. drug using type of person. Just like how he was in his cameo in Entourage.

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Re: Bob Saget has died

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Post by WalterBright »

ses1984 wrote: post #141
WalterBright wrote: post #105

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Isn't it sad there's an assumption that if people aren't politically aligned, they don't respect each other? I have many friends and family members who are not aligned with my political views at all. I'd never let politics get in the way of that. After all, what is accomplished by avoiding someone because you don't agree with their views?

It's one thing to not be aligned, it's another to be aligned oppositely. I find it draining to spend time with my in laws who support Trump but can't actually explain why (probably because they don't want to sound like humongous bigots). They assert "please don't talk politics around us or our family we don't like it" but make politically charged statements from time to time. If anything even slightly resembling conf…

> it's another to be aligned oppositely

I have friends and family who are aligned oppositely.

Personally, I view political debate as an intellectual sport, like chess. It's fun to match swords with someone, and see who has the better game. Winning/losing at this, like winning/losing at chess, football, Magic The Gathering, etc., means nothing.

For those who are unable to not take losing personally, it's best to just avoid talking politics with them.

It's the same with religion. If you've got family & friends of different faiths, does that concern you?

Re: Bob Saget has died

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Post by bumby »

voidfunc wrote: post #117
WalterBright wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't it sad there's an assumption that if people aren't politically aligned, they don't respect each other? I have many friends and family members who are not aligned with my political views at all. I'd never let politics get in the way of that. After all, what is accomplished by avoiding someone because you don't agree with their views?

Is it? We are reaching a point where one particular political alignment is basically interested in setting us back pre-1950's in terms of rights and liberties. Hard to remain respectful of anyone who subscribes to that.

I think you are responding to a caricature. It's not much different from one side saying, "one particular political alignment is basically interested in creating a socialist nanny state."

Do you know anyone on a deep, personal level that is of a different political alignment? To the OP's point, retreating to a bubble of people that only agree with you is one way to help such a caricatured outlook can take hold.

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