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Re: Ask HN: My boss doesn't think I'm doing good work, how to proceed?

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This boss telling you that they felt the project should have been done a long time ago: I wonder who that comment benefits? Feels like no one. You get bummed, they give late feedback without a lot of constructive aspects to it. I am trying to think of one way it was useful to tell you that, but I can’t. Seems like you should feel justified in not being a fan of working under this person. What you do with that is hard…

I'm not sure. I'm glad he told me, otherwise I wouldn't have known I was undershooting his expectations. I did make mistakes that made the project taking longer than it had to. I guess if I want to keep working here I'll need to find a way to make fewer mistakes like that in the future.

Mistakes are a part of life. Do not be ashamed of mistakes, you will only limit yourself. I'm sure you're already aware of this, but sometimes we all need a reminder.

As for the project, you should consider how much mentorship you received. If there was none, then obviously a high degree of mistakes is natural, especially for someone new to "professional software development" (if such a thing exists). If there was a lot of it and you blatantly ignored it, you should take responsibility for it.

Most importantly, keep a healthy work-life balance. It's easy to forget it, especially when first entering the workforce and thinking that you need to "prove yourself". Most of us are average; if you are too, accept it and keep living as best as you can. The 10x coders can keep on 10x-ing, but the world depends on the average person.

Re: Ask HN: My boss doesn't think I'm doing good work, how to proceed?

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From my experience, any time a project isn’t on time, something like this happens from someone up high. And guess what? They are rarely “on time”. The solution is adjusting the definition of “on time”, whether it is cutting the scope of the project, better estimation, or conveying the scope and velocity during the project. Usually this falls on senior/leads/management, but it is a good skill to learn as a junior.

Don’t sweat it. The real world sometimes recognizes your effort, and sometimes beats you down and gaslights. You know the effort you put in, and that’s what matters. Get experience, and if it continues, hop somewhere else after a year or two. Get a nice pay bump. Win-win.

Re: Ask HN: My boss doesn't think I'm doing good work, how to proceed?

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> Part of the reason it had taken so long is because I put a substantial amount of work into a part of the project that's no longer necessary due to changing requirements, which I don't think I could have forseen. One of the things that I've experienced with new grad junior devs is that there's an adjustment needed to change from academic working to business working. In academia, usually the professor gives an assign…

Definitely, I remember as well, that everything they hated me for in school was super beneficial in business. Copying other work? Amazing. Telling boss that I don't have time to do the new task? Trendemous. Solving issue without using latest tech that I just learnt? Incredible. Compaining that some parts of task are harder than anticipated? Brilliant. The only hard part is to bring fake absences into this mindset, so…

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Re: Ask HN: My boss doesn't think I'm doing good work, how to proceed?

#144
I’m pretty sure you’re about to be fired. You should give your notice as soon as possible and immediately look for a new position. Getting fired should normally not come as a surprise to you. If it does you’d have to be completely clueless, or there are things going on outside your control. You seem self conscious so the former seems unlikely.

Re: Ask HN: My boss doesn't think I'm doing good work, how to proceed?

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> project should have been finished a long time ago and he can't believe it's taken this long

Yes, this is quite common. The problem is seldom on the performance of developers though, but rather on the misaligned expectations.

Your managers boss is probably stressed out about commitments or promises thy made that cant be met due to such expectations or otherwise really don't like being uncertain about a reality they have little control over. People generally hate uncertainty.

The solution “agile development” came up with wasn't to improve developer performance, or provide better plans, instead the main focus was to tighten feedback loops.

By having frequent “inspect and adapt” cycles with stakeholders two thing happen. First expectations are frequently brought into alignment making it easier to adjust other plans. Second it provides an opportunity change plans, thus providing more control.

It is my experience that stake holders provided with both expectation alignment and control tend to feel safe enough to not worry so much about deadlines and budgets.

Re: Ask HN: My boss doesn't think I'm doing good work, how to proceed?

#146
post #7

This boss telling you that they felt the project should have been done a long time ago: I wonder who that comment benefits? Feels like no one. You get bummed, they give late feedback without a lot of constructive aspects to it. I am trying to think of one way it was useful to tell you that, but I can’t. Seems like you should feel justified in not being a fan of working under this person. What you do with that is hard…

I'm not sure. I'm glad he told me, otherwise I wouldn't have known I was undershooting his expectations. I did make mistakes that made the project taking longer than it had to. I guess if I want to keep working here I'll need to find a way to make fewer mistakes like that in the future.

I think your last statement indicates how bad that feedback session reflects, not on you, but on the “boss”. On the one hand, we all have bad moments, that might have been theirs, which sounds pretty terrible though, especially in context of you having limited experience. On the other hand, while if you discuss he/she would probably apologise, it sounds exactly like the kind of boss that will throw you under the bus when the going gets tough.

Early days. One of the key things you get with experience is the cold blood to wait some things out and to not let minor or major incidents get under your skin. If/when this becomes a pattern assess it against the rest of your experience and decide on your best path forward.

Re: Ask HN: My boss doesn't think I'm doing good work, how to proceed?

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Your boss is gaslighting & intimidating you. - Do not be intimidated into thinking you did your work poorly. I've seen this happen many times with employees being guilt tripped, especially the younger more junior employees. You are a professional and the work you do is important for the company, you do it with pride and to the best of your ability. - Beware of gaslighting. Some bosses can be incredibly manipulative a…

> Your boss is gaslighting & intimidating you.

Yep. And it won't be the last time. There are a lot of people who deliberately manage this way - in fact, a lot of times they're promoted to management because they act this way. For the most part, it's bluster and you can ignore it. It's really, really hard to find programmers and, no matter how good a programmer they found, the next one won't be as capable as you because he/she will need to spend time coming up to speed on the codebase as well as the rest of the company.

That is assuming of course, that you're actually doing the best work you're capable of. If you really are slacking off unreasonably, stop - but if you're not, then there's not much else you can do except be fatalistic about this job and take comfort in the fact that in our business, jobs are easy to come by.

Re: Ask HN: My boss doesn't think I'm doing good work, how to proceed?

#150
post #11

The one time I ran into a scenario like this it was an upper level executive looking to flex and show that they are the alpha. My manager and manager’s manager stayed after the meeting to tell him that my project met the specs perfectly. Later on I found out that every person who had been in the department over a year had gone through that exact scenario. I kept on working and ultimately it was fine, but the departme…

> end result was him getting promoted even higher.

because of course it was :(

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