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Re: Elizabeth Holmes found guilty

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Looking forward to JLaw's portrayal of Holmes in Adam McKay's Apple Studios adaptation of Bad Blood . Hope they pick up from where the book ended and cover this trial. https://variety.com/2021/film/news/jennifer-lawrence-elizabe...

JLaw?

JLaw == Jennifer Lawrence

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What does "authentic" mean here? Isn't company swag just the company emailing a logo to 3rd parties who print it on shirts/whatever?

This is some of the scammiest markets of all time. Hey OP, I got a Theranos-branded mug I can drop-ship you from Alibaba. $800 OBO

What you do not have is called provenance :)

Re: Elizabeth Holmes found guilty

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Count one of conspiring to commit wire fraud against investors in Theranos between 2010 and 2015: Guilty. Count two of conspiring to commit wire fraud against patients who paid for Theranos’s blood testing services between 2013 and 2016: Not guilty. Count three of wire fraud in connection with a wire transfer of $99,990 on or about Dec. 30, 2013: No verdict. Count four of wire fraud in connection with a wire transfer…

Don't know all of the details behind each count, but glad to see this result, which seems good and fair. Basically, looks like the majority of "committing fraud against investors" charges were guilty, but the "committing fraud against patients ", which always seemed like more of a stretch to me, were not guilty.

Can you expand? Investors are risk-heavy VCs who expect more than 50% of investments to fail

Patients just saw a blood testing service promising the same accuracy as a blood draw and went for it

Re: Elizabeth Holmes found guilty

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More complete summary from the NY Times: https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/01/03/technology/elizabeth... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29789074

> Very little is known of Mr. Balwani, including why he is called “Sunny.” This might be because Saturday in Hindi and other Indian languages is “sunny-var”, and the day of the week you are born on is a common nickname, in conjunction with “sunny” being an easy to pronounce and common English word.

Interesting, and is his birthday Sunday, June 13, 1965?

Re: Elizabeth Holmes found guilty

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It blows my mind that she was found guilty for defrauding investors, but not guilty for defrauding patients about their test results. Investors know that every dollar they put into a company could disappear, it's why startups get capital from investors and not bank loans. But a patient does not expect for their blood test results to be completely wrong. Her tests weren't giving false-negatives or false-positives, the…

Could this be because they were secretly doing the testing using traditional lab testing machines (as described in Bad Blood)? Maybe that made it hard to prove any specific test was tainted.

Re: Elizabeth Holmes found guilty

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does "authentic" mean here? Isn't company swag just the company emailing a logo to 3rd parties who print it on shirts/whatever?

I try my best to only procure swag that was actually distributed by the company at time of operation. As an example, you can buy "joke" Enron t-shirts, which I wouldn't be interested in, but some authentic team building event-specific shirt distributed to 50ish people? Oh baby, I'm all ears. I think that's part of the fun, hunting for the original stuff.

Can you guys share your collection? I'm not a part of this hobby yet, but I'm immediately on board.

Would you be interested in an unreleased "Cosby Show" lego set that was supposed to come out right before he got cancelled?

Re: Elizabeth Holmes found guilty

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It blows my mind that she was found guilty for defrauding investors, but not guilty for defrauding patients about their test results. Investors know that every dollar they put into a company could disappear, it's why startups get capital from investors and not bank loans. But a patient does not expect for their blood test results to be completely wrong. Her tests weren't giving false-negatives or false-positives, the…

Fraud means that you lied for personal gain. There is more evidence of her lying directly to investors than to patients.

Re: Elizabeth Holmes found guilty

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This will sound weird but I am a collector of swag from large companies that have collapsed due to anything from mismanagement to outright fraud. While we're a rare breed there are others like me out there. Still, even with this oddly specific marketplace being small, let me tell you, the Theranos swag market is hot right now (check eBay if you're curious). Wish I had gone big on this one earlier, because I have a fe…

Do you have the epic ENRON intern Tshirt in your collection ?

Re: Elizabeth Holmes found guilty

#150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does "authentic" mean here? Isn't company swag just the company emailing a logo to 3rd parties who print it on shirts/whatever?

I try my best to only procure swag that was actually distributed by the company at time of operation. As an example, you can buy "joke" Enron t-shirts, which I wouldn't be interested in, but some authentic team building event-specific shirt distributed to 50ish people? Oh baby, I'm all ears. I think that's part of the fun, hunting for the original stuff.

Former Enron employee here - I have some swag I was given when I first started (lunch kit, values booklet, etc. Also have some golf shirts and baseball caps.

Worth anything?

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