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Re: Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again

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Post by grumple »

Sammi wrote: post #105
BossingAround wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does your server at home handle similar traffic to that of US-East-1 since you're comparing uptime? Simiarly, my laptop, if I keep it plugged in the wall, and enable httpd on localhost, will surely have better uptime than any of the top clouds. I'd bet that it'd have 100% uptime if I plugged in a UPS and cared for traffic on my local network only.

> Does your server at home handle similar traffic to that of US-East-1 since you're comparing uptime? Of course it doesn't. Why are you asking antagonistic questions?

He asked it to demonstrate the point that uptime is trivial for one server with no traffic, and much harder at scale with auto scaling.

Re: Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again

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Post by RobertKerans »

loudtieblahblah wrote: post #36

Yay! Adult snowday!

Apropos of nothing, but a few Christmasses ago the place I worked had a dedicated fibre line that some workmen doing gas line repairs sawed straight through, took out everything; I was just drone worker at the time & it was a beautiful thing

Re: Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again

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Post by throwaway2331 »

junon wrote: post #55
taspeotis wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The people who maintain the unofficial site would have, at some point, used their CTRL and C keys followed not immediately, but closely by, their CTRL and V keys.

But that is copyright infringement. You're not allowed to copy some work, modify it, then slap the original copyright on it. This is an illegal website, prone to being taken down by AWS. It's just strange.

Drugs are illegal too, yet people do them all the time.

Speeding? Basically a national past-time at this point.

Misrepresentation, common fraud, and misappropriation? Par for the course in most small businesses.

It's only a crime if someone gives enough of a shit to do something about it; otherwise, it's just life.

Re: Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again

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Post by dijit »

rswail wrote: post #59

So why are people not migrating out of us-east-1? Operating in ap-southeast, we weren't that affected by the us-east-1 down time, although our system is reasonably static and doesn't make lots of IAM calls (which seems to be a large SPOF from us-east-1).

Some “global” systems run in us-east1 even if you’re not hosted there a service you depend on might be.

Notably: cognito, r53 and the default web UI. (You can work around the webui one I’m told, by passing a different domain instead of just console.aws.amazon.com)

Re: Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again

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Post by akyoan »

Sammi wrote: post #105
BossingAround wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does your server at home handle similar traffic to that of US-East-1 since you're comparing uptime? Simiarly, my laptop, if I keep it plugged in the wall, and enable httpd on localhost, will surely have better uptime than any of the top clouds. I'd bet that it'd have 100% uptime if I plugged in a UPS and cared for traffic on my local network only.

> Does your server at home handle similar traffic to that of US-East-1 since you're comparing uptime? Of course it doesn't. Why are you asking antagonistic questions?

> Honestly my server at home has more uptime than US-East-1

Is this not antagonistic? It's pointless to make these statements, so your parent comment pointed it out. Go downvote the first one instead.

Re: Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again

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Post by dijit »

izietto wrote: post #92

I guess that's why I'm experiencing weird issues with Heroku: remote: Compressing source files... done. remote: Building source: remote: remote: ! Heroku Git error, please try again shortly. remote: ! See http://status.heroku.com for current Heroku platform status. remote: ! If the problem persists, please open a ticket remote: ! on https://help.heroku.com/tickets/new

Yes.

Another thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29648325

Re: Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again

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Post by christophilus »

BossingAround wrote: post #89
IceWreck wrote: post #50

Honestly my server at home has more uptime than US-East-1

Does your server at home handle similar traffic to that of US-East-1 since you're comparing uptime? Simiarly, my laptop, if I keep it plugged in the wall, and enable httpd on localhost, will surely have better uptime than any of the top clouds. I'd bet that it'd have 100% uptime if I plugged in a UPS and cared for traffic on my local network only.

Most people don't need to handle the traffic of US-East-1. They just need a single, simple, mostly reliable server. But they're often told, "Don't do that. It's too hard, and irresponsible, and what if you get a spike in traffic, and what if you need to add 5 new servers, and security is really hard."

In reality, most people don't need to scale. An occasional spike in traffic is a nuisance, but not the end of the world, and security is not terribly hard, if you keep your servers patched (which is trivial to automate).

I really don't understand why there's so much FUD around running your own stuff.

Re: Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again

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Post by s_dev »

hnarn wrote: post #30
darkwater wrote: post #23

Fields of green here https://status.aws.amazon.com/ Anyway I can access the web console with no issue (eu-west)

I think it's pretty widely accepted that AWS' own status pages are utterly useless.

You would think that but there always a few contrarian AWS evangelists in the comments going on about the "difficulty" in operating a status page as though it were trying to conjure a N=NP proof.

Like how come down detector can do a superb job of detecting when AWS goes down and AWS can't? Because AWS doesn't want account managers of SLAs asking for credits for the uptime they're paying for but not getting.

https://downdetector.co.uk/status/aws-amazon-web-services/

Re: Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again

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Post by AQuantized »

alecbz wrote: post #138
api wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody ever got fired for using AWS.

I wonder to what extent this actually becomes less of a problem the more people use AWS. At this point AWS being down just feels like "the internet is down", it's hard for customers to be too mad at any company being down when all their competitors are too. Though I guess there's still probably just lost revenue that could be captured by having better uptime, even if your competitors are down.

This seems like an interesting pendulum swing where the few companies not reliant on AWS could capture significant enough revenue by maintaining uptime during a potential busy season outage.
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