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Re: Sleep technique used by Salvador Dalí works

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Post by rubicon33 »

jniedrauer wrote: post #122
distantaidenn wrote: post #117

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Wow, I have this exact same experience before falling asleep. It feels like a direct shift in the thought processes, and as you described it, it feels as though you have become a passive observer of your own thoughts. The images are sometimes so absurd and creative that I almost laugh to myself. But I also, don't KNOW if the images are creative or absurd, but just my brain believing it so -- is there even a differenc…

>do you also have high rates of sleep paralysis? Yes, often toward the end of this near-dreaming state, just before entering deeper sleep. I experience a sensation like entering a free fall and lose the ability to move. It takes quite a lot of energy to climb back out of it and regain the ability to move.

How would you describe your sleep hygiene? Do you sleep the same amount every night? Do you fall asleep at the same time? How much sleep do you get? Are you generally very tired when you lay down to sleep?

Just curious as someone who has never had any of these N1 experiences, what might I be missing...

Re: Sleep technique used by Salvador Dalí works

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Post by rubicon33 »

distantaidenn wrote: post #117
josefrichter wrote: post #79

Wow. I didn’t know this, but I was actually able to observe this state on myself. When going to sleep, my mind is wandering. But at one point it drifts from real world thoughts to completely abstract concepts and wild imagination that sometimes makes no sense. It’s almost like a hallucination. What’s most interesting is that sometimes I am able to notice the transition to this state and consciously observe it. Usuall…

Wow, I have this exact same experience before falling asleep. It feels like a direct shift in the thought processes, and as you described it, it feels as though you have become a passive observer of your own thoughts. The images are sometimes so absurd and creative that I almost laugh to myself. But I also, don't KNOW if the images are creative or absurd, but just my brain believing it so -- is there even a differenc…

I'm kinda jealous. I couldn't be more different.

I can't remember the last time I had a dream. Months ago probably.

Random question but - do you consume any caffeine?

Re: Sleep technique used by Salvador Dalí works

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Post by bglusman »

josefrichter wrote: post #79

Wow. I didn’t know this, but I was actually able to observe this state on myself. When going to sleep, my mind is wandering. But at one point it drifts from real world thoughts to completely abstract concepts and wild imagination that sometimes makes no sense. It’s almost like a hallucination. What’s most interesting is that sometimes I am able to notice the transition to this state and consciously observe it. Usuall…

Richard Feynman wrote about something similar in “Surely you’re joking Mr. Feynman!” (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surely_You%27re_Joking,_Mr._...!)

This appears to be most of the relevant except: http://entersection.com/posts/897-richard-p-feynman-on-watch...

Re: Sleep technique used by Salvador Dalí works

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Post by IWantToRelocate »

josefrichter wrote: post #96
IWantToRelocate wrote: post #83

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You just described exactly what happens to me and that "sleep phobia", I read somewhere, is linked usually to people with anxiety/panic attack issues. Not sure if that's your case but 100% accurate in my case.

Yes, same here, unfortunately

Actually I don't feel it anymore since I started to practice deep breath before I close my eyes. It improved my sleep a lot.

Re: Sleep technique used by Salvador Dalí works

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Post by sedivy94 »

pvarangot wrote: post #87
t8e56vd4ih wrote: post #84

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the state you describe i only, but then very clearly, experience when falling asleep while being stoned.

Do you also have the visualizations of interlinked concepts? I find weed makes me have "the thoughts" and they are very present and come fast, but being absolutely sober sometimes those thoughts are there but not moving as fast and they it's more likely they also come with visualizations of the thought process.

I’m not sure if everyone is like this but, in my case, cannabis and psychedelic use has really ramped up that type of mental imagery. I see it without being able to describe how it looks, which is odd. The components usually comprise of blocks of logical arguments and the intersection of event spaces.

Another observation: dualistic thinking is a token side-effect of psychedelic use, but I’d go so far as to say I’ve also decoupled cause and effect in many of the abstract phenomena I observe. Whatever I’m observing or contemplating appears to be a condition or state with no time domain, rather than an operation where A causes B in that order.

Re: Sleep technique used by Salvador Dalí works

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Post by djmips »

diatone wrote: post #99

Anecdote: I distinctly remember being on the edge of sleep writing a song one night in 2019. I was about to fall asleep on the floor with a notebook in my hand, and just at that moment, the music came into my mind. For whatever reason, I was able to stay awake and flesh it out as a recording. After reflecting on it the next day I realised I had written an acoustic fingerstyle piece that moved across keys as if there…

I did the same thing and no one would probably believe it except I recorded it as a MIDI stream. The next day I played it to my boss and he wouldn't accept that I composed it. (edit - it was a complex classical piano piece)

Re: Sleep technique used by Salvador Dalí works

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Post by e9 »

rubicon33 wrote: post #142
distantaidenn wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, I have this exact same experience before falling asleep. It feels like a direct shift in the thought processes, and as you described it, it feels as though you have become a passive observer of your own thoughts. The images are sometimes so absurd and creative that I almost laugh to myself. But I also, don't KNOW if the images are creative or absurd, but just my brain believing it so -- is there even a differenc…

I'm kinda jealous. I couldn't be more different. I can't remember the last time I had a dream. Months ago probably. Random question but - do you consume any caffeine?

I’m the same way. I pretty much never have dreams unless I take some supplement like melatonin or valerian and even then it’s hit or miss. While I’m awake I also can’t picture things clearly(without any meaningful details) in my mind. Maybe that’s related.

Re: Sleep technique used by Salvador Dalí works

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Post by burglekutt »

pier25 wrote: post #112
moj wrote: post #70

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I experienced such states on several occasions, usually randomly once every two or three years. I resolved to explore it if it happened again, and sure enough I was ready when it did. I soon discovered you don't have to wait years; it can happen a few times a week. Simple technique: - wait until you've woken up after a dream. (so technically hypnopompic, not hypnagogic, but more powerful imho) - Any dream will do, bu…

What worked for me years ago was writing down my dreams. After a while I got really good at recalling them and even lucid dreaming at times. It was really cool, but I was single. Now I wouldn't want to wake my wife.

I used to do that and I had to stop because my recall of the dreams was so detailed that it took me an hour to write it all down in the morning. The details were too vivid to gloss over or not write down, and eventually I wanted that hour back so I stopped writing the dreams down. It was very cool while I was doing it though.
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