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Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by KptMarchewa » Tue, Dec 07, 2021, 10:44 PM UTC

ng-user wrote: post #19

It's crazy to me that Windows 11 has already been released and yet they're still adding what should be core functionality to the OS as an after thought. If they are so set on redesigning Notepad and/or all system apps to use the new design style, why would those not be prioritized and included in the original release from day 1?

It's not crazy. We don't live in age of physical distribution.

When fix or feature is ready, it's moment to distribute it.

It's way better than Apple style feature hoarding to pad yearly OS release changelog with application fluff.

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by tacotacotaco » Tue, Dec 07, 2021, 10:46 PM UTC

Causality1 wrote: post #16

Bjartr wrote: post #5

I understand it's reasonable to be cynical about Windows, but is it really appropriate here[1] when the changes of note are support for dark mode and multiple undo steps? At least wait for someone to find an actual problem. [1] When I post this, the only other comments are complaints. The ones that are at least complaining about notepad are complaining that MS had the gall to change notepad without pointing to anythi…

I like the feature additions but dislike that there's no visual division between the menu bar and the title bar you can click and drag to manipulate the window. Windows 10 and 11 often make me feel as if I have some disorder of the nervous system as I'm forever clicking just to the side of the interface element I want to use.

Also, Windows 10 removed the window borders so now you have to resize windows by grabbing their shadow. Years later I still regularly misclick.

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by fart32 » Tue, Dec 07, 2021, 10:51 PM UTC

InfiniteRand wrote: post #78

I don't really see the selling point of upgrading to Windows 11 - what does it get me, a moderate power user who is moderately set in his ways

I consider myself moderate power user and I'm not going to upgrade until there's a native way of restoring the taskbar to what it used to be on the previous releases. And by that I mean left aligned tabs with text labels. It used to be that way for about 30 years and I can't stand the grouping icons (both the grouping and the icons).

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by jodrellblank » Tue, Dec 07, 2021, 10:52 PM UTC

Serow225 wrote: post #99

MisterTea wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> you could view reports on which obscure apps hooked into this or that internal code of cmd.exe or Notepad and would break Wait what, external software calls into notepad?

:) http://kylehalladay.com/blog/2020/05/20/Rendering-With-Notep...

Calvin: This is so cool!

Hobbes: This is so stupid.

https://www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes/1995/01/01

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by Skunkleton » Tue, Dec 07, 2021, 10:59 PM UTC

okareaman wrote: post #45

The greatest thing about Notepad is that it runs and displays a blinking cursor ready for typing in much less than a second for a new document. On my Windows 11 machine it appears to be around 200 msec. I've tried setting my text file handler to other text editors but nothing else comes close to this speed of utility. I'm very glad they are not messing with that. Overall, I'm very pleased with my Windows 11. Everythi…

>I read somewhere that Microsoft intends it to be mostly for new computers.

They are pushing developers to it as well. See new WSL features as an example.

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by koyote » Tue, Dec 07, 2021, 11:01 PM UTC

badsectoracula wrote: post #122

koyote wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of curiosity I just opened up the new Calculator. It took around 150ms to load (at a guess, it was pretty much instant). How slow is it on your machine?? I've also not had it ask me to rate it on the store. I don't think it even exists on the store.

Since you guessed it instead of somehow measured it (i think you'd need a very high framerate camera to measure the time between click and app appearing to do that) perhaps it isn't that it is fast but you're just not sensitive to such small delays?

Possibly. Maybe I remember the 'good old days' too fondly: where opening any kind of application would take upwards of 5 seconds and often into the minutes for something large like Word :)

For me anything that loads before I even have the time to think about the fact that it's loading would not be considered 'slow'.

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by RachelF » Tue, Dec 07, 2021, 11:02 PM UTC

If you looked at the code for the old XP Notepad, it was the Windows standard text entry control resized to full screen.

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by lucb1e » Tue, Dec 07, 2021, 11:05 PM UTC

recursive wrote: post #119

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Notepad is core OS functionality? I think not.

I think so. How else are you supposed to edit a config file?

There is also write.exe or, just a suggestion, buy MS Office Word in a package deal for like ninety nine bucks. I can see why notepad might be deemed unimportant by Microsoft with both a commercial alternative to push and a more powerful editor also built in. (Assuming write.exe is still in W11, last I used was 7 I think.)

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by enlyth » Tue, Dec 07, 2021, 11:07 PM UTC

jenoer wrote: post #120

enlyth wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most devs I've met use it, it's an excellent tool for getting rid of formatting or just having an instant window open where you can temporarily store some plaintext.

Let me blow your mind: you can use CTRL+SHIFT+V to paste text without formatting.

My mind isn't blown, this doesn't seem to work properly across all applications.

I just tested it now pasting some text from a website into Slack and it retained hyperlinks (I don't mean plaintext https:// ones, but ones) and all that junk. When you cleanse it through notepad you have a guarantee that none of that is left.

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by lucb1e » Tue, Dec 07, 2021, 11:09 PM UTC

kgwxd wrote: post #25

I assume it will be at least as slow to load as the redesigned Calculator, and bug me to rate it Microsoft Store every now and then.

A friend complained about making mistakes on their mobile calculator nowadays because it has significant input lag since an update. Needs a third party calculator app now... I was happy that I could recommend Simple Mobile Tools' calculator, open source donationware and does only what it should. I only know of it because my phone didn't come with a calculator at all, which I found weird too. I use a bunch of their apps actually and they're all great, so this was an easy choice. Not sure what the equivalent for Windows would be, I never saw anyone use an alternative calculator -- unless Google counts but that's not because of problems with calc.exe.