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Re: Ask HN: How are you taking care of you eyes?

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Thanks. I'll give this a try. I don't like the feeling that if I lose my glasses or contacts I'm helpless.

You're welcome! I get that feeling too, makes me uneasy. Best of luck on your eyesight improvement journey!

Where do you buy "differential" lenses? Do you just get a lower prescription from your optometrist?

Re: Ask HN: How are you taking care of you eyes?

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I bought some cheap prescription[1] glasses ($20) just for computer use. They put optical infinity at around the distance to my monitor (~60 cm)[2], which keeps my ciliary muscles fully relaxed. It's completely fixed the soreness I'd feel in my eyes at the end of the day. I highly recommend it.

[1]: For those wondering, the calculation for required SPH is your_prescribed_SPH + (1/desired_distance). If you don't already wear glasses, then it's just (1/desired_distance).

Re: Ask HN: How are you taking care of you eyes?

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I've had eyesight issues since early childhood (strabismus, ocular dominance). This seriously hindered my efforts in basketball during middle school and also later on -- but I loved books and was good in writing and thus couldn't stay off computers, which resulted in years of constant eye strain problems.

I bought an IPS monitor when they were really expensive, and ate an insane amount of carrots, both raw and cooked. This helped, but the strain was still there, occasionally accompanied by mild headaches.

Eventually, at an age of 30+, I decided to give up full time desk work (also because I was anxious about "sacrificing my body to the computer"). Now I'm a forestry worker on most days: avoiding logging, but cutting brush and planting trees. 5-7 hours in the woods almost every day, currently surrounded by lots of snow and the trees' green palette (which is good for the eyes, isn't it?). Hacking and other creative computer work has become something that I do on the side when I have time or physical/mental energy, or when I wish and manage to escape from our kids.

Am I happier? It's sometimes difficult to switch to mental work from physical labor, staying motivated in my mental pursuits etc. The pay would be poor to most standards. But all in all -- happier, hell yes! Eyestrain is gone completely. Heck, I've occasionally totally forgotten to put glasses on while driving a car, which is something I'd noticed right away during the office work days. I haven't tested my eyesight for years, but I do feel there has been a remarkable change to the better. I happened to shoot some hoops just this weekend after more than a year, and it was an absolute joy: indoor lighting of the court didn't annoy my eyes as it usually does (this used to be a major issue when I was younger), and I made shots with a surprisingly good percentage in spite of not wearing contact lenses.

It's also important to note that my eating habits have probably changed quite a bit since middle school / early to late 20s. I've always loved vegetables, but for now, I've almost completely cut of all processed sweets: cocoa, chocolate, you name it. All the bad stuff I used to love -- but, as cocoa contains caffeine, it's actually bringing fluids out of the body, doesn't it? Based on this, I occasionally think that a big part of my earlier eyestrain issues might have been too big an amount of cocoa-based "foods". Dehydration, basically. Haven't done any research on that, though, so it might as well be BS.

All in all: we're animals from nature, so I suppose the best one could do to his or her eyes is try to spend as much time outdoors (or in wilderness, if you ever can) as possible. And drink a lot of plain water, this also seems to have a positive influence. Or, if you're lucky enough to have other issues with your life as well (like I did), you may also consider changing your job for something that has the "no eyestrain" batteries included by design. :)

Re: Ask HN: How are you taking care of you eyes?

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What do you mean by wayland + non-scalar scaling? Fractional scaling will indeed not map to each pixel properly, but that has nothing to do with wayland. As far as I know, only Windows try to align font rendering to the pixel grid, Macs decided on skipping the 1-2x range and providing higher density displays and only doing integer scaling — which you can easily do with Wayland as well.

You only can't do it if: - the compositor insists of doing (with interpolation, depending on the compositor you use the results do hugely differ in quality) - scale to "exactly" that fraction. But if I "as a normal user" ask for a scale factor of 1.33 I do in general not mean "scale exactly to 1.33", neither "scale exactly to 4/3" but what I mean is "make it roughly 4/3 larger as 3/3 is to small and 6/3 to large". An…

I am not too familiar with this part of the wayland protocol, but I do think that the scale is available to a given window and it can make use of that — and my experience is that it does so with qt and gtk apps. Maybe you are using xwayland applications? Because in that case wayland has to fallback to rendering it at some integer multiply and scaling it down.

My previous comment was more on the lack of non-linearly scaling fonts used on e.g. windows that will stick to the pixel grid at all price (so half the requested size will likely be much larger than expected). I think it is called ClearType.

Re: Ask HN: How are you taking care of you eyes?

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My optometrist suggested that about every 20-30 minutes or so I should try and pick out something on the horizon or at least several yards away and focus my eyes on it. Sitting so close to the screen it makes sense, and the “stretch” you feel when focusing on something close and then far away has really decreased my eye strain.

Yes I've always tried to have a long view (out the window or down the room) beyond my monitor.

Re: Ask HN: How are you taking care of you eyes?

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I was having huge problems with eyesight strain. Just after an hour of computer use I would see blurry, shadows, double, light sensitivity, etc. I was even thinking about changing my profession. I tried many things like blue light filters, eye drops, improved refresh rates, max-hardware-brightness with reduced software-brightness, different light bulbs, eInk, orange glasses, red light therapy, larger monitor farther…

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Re: Ask HN: How are you taking care of you eyes?

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I have evaporative dry eye caused by meibomian gland dysfunction (MGD). In short, my tears evaporate too fast because my eyelids don't produce enough of the lipid part of tears.

I used to have occasional symptoms of dry eyes without knowing what it was. It all changed after I got LASEK (a bit different from LASIK, but the ultimate goal is the same) about 2 years ago. It's not clear whether LASEK contributed to my condition, or whether it was a coincidence, but my life changed afterwards.

I used to have days when I was physically unable to look at a computer screen, due to the discomfort (burning sensation) and photophobia (light from the screen would look really uncomfortable).

Right now I've adjusted my life and equipment to make living and work more bearable/comfortable. I also got a bit of medical advice/help.

Posting a short summary of what helped and what didn't, in case someone else will find it useful. I've tried so many things, so I might have omitted something.

What helped:

- Changing displays: now I'm using BenQ EL2870U (I went through multiple "eye-care" and non-eye-care displays before I settled on this one). I'm using low-blue-light configuration in the display as well as in macOS. I'm really sensitive to displays with PWM (e.g. 16" MBP). On my OnePlus 7T Pro I switched to DC dimming, which seemed to help too.

- NuLids (https://nulids.com/). It's a "massager" for the eyelids, which stimulates meibomian glands and cleans the eye lids. Both the device and the tips (I boil them and reuse them several times) are a bit pricey but I did feel the difference.

- Sleep position: make sure your eyes aren't pressing on the pillow, as this can prevent them from closing or create unnecessary pressure on the eye/eyelids.

- E-Ink displays: these are good to look at, but hard to do useful work on due to poor refresh rate. I'm using them for reading only (I have Dasung 13.3" monitor and Boox Max Lumi).

- Natural light in the room. There seems to be something about natural light that makes my eyes feel more comfortable when in front of a screen.

- Preservative-free eye drops targeting the lipid tear part (only for short-term relief, but sometimes that's needed).

Not sure whether it helped:

- IRPL (E-Eye). I'll have the 4th treatment soon, but it's hard too judge this because of other parallel things I'm doing (like NuLids). My eyes feel quite good for several hours after a treatment, but then they're back to the usual state.

- Diet (Omega 3, Vitamin A, vegetables, etc)

What didn't help:

- Optimel Manuka Honey Eye Drops/Gel. Some people said that these were revolutionary for them, but my eyes at first felt better and then I got horrible swelling and redness.

- Blue light glasses (I've tried ~10 different brands, including the more expensive and "science-based" ones (Gunnar, BLUblox).

What I want to try:

- Omega 3 supplements with higher EPA/DHA ratio (like PRN Dry Eye Omega)

- Autologous serum eye drops. I can't find anyone who can produce them in my country, but I'm thinking about getting them from abroad.

- Computer glasses for relaxing eye muscles (as mentioned in other comments).

Re: Ask HN: How are you taking care of you eyes?

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Have you noticed any difference with your 55" 4k TV setup compared to what you used before? I've often wondered about this, and considered the possibilities of high quality VR that could allow us to set up a virtual screen at any size and distance.

That works and I like to watch some stuff that way but it is highly capped by the resolution of your VR. It will always be a subset of the available pixels of your headsets max resolution. I don't particularly felt that VR is easy on the eyes since while the illusion says otherwise, you have 2 very small monitors directly in front of your eyes, directly the opposite of what was suggested before. This is probably more…

There is a lens inbetween, it is usually optically equivalent of being 6ft back or so (sometimes infinity).
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