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Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by throwawaysea »

btown wrote: post #41
jd115 wrote: post #18

While this is a trend across the board since the pandemic, for Facebook it is particularly troublesome because it's deeper rooted than at other companies. On an almost daily basis it is becoming more and more public knowledge that Facebook is in more legal trouble than it can handle and that the company no longer has much good standing in society (which, for a "social" media company, is a bit of a problem). Young peo…

I imagine many FB employees also envisioned themselves working their way to levels of seniority where they could nudge policy and practices towards the better (however they might define that). After all, one might have said, there’s no other place where an individual’s career in tech can have greater impact on so many people’s lives. Now, seeing how even senior people on dedicated integrity teams had little ability t…

What sort of ship steering do you think these employees wanted? More moderation and censorship? Or less? Or just different? Or is it more around reducing engagement based goals that drive addiction to social media? Or is it around targeting children?

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Post by tjs8rj »

Gentil wrote: post #93

I don't have much data points to share. But I've been seeing responses to people working FB have been horrible since for a while now. It has been a common trend that when someone I know posts a job position in FB, nobody replies to it. At least not publicly (publicly means replying to tweet, replying to slack message in a well knit/known group of people). Even if they are replying personally and privately, that in it…

Twitter is just as dangerous as Facebook as far as I can tell. So much outrage that’s spilled into riots and bloodshed has been fomented on there in broad daylight with little repercussion. Do you judge people who work at Twitter too?

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by throwawaysea »

campbel wrote: post #105
mkl95 wrote: post #22

This is an entirely subjective take, but in the last few years FB seem to have evolved from one the coolest places for an engineer to being at the bottom of FAANG. I wonder if a significant amount of those people are looking for positions at Google/Amazon or they are taking their expertise somewhere else.

I've never understood obsession with FAANG. Seems like it is only meaningful to younger folks in the industry looking to establish themselves. You want FAANG on your resume so you can get the job you really want.

The obsession is simply around getting a high pay and great benefits at a very stable company. FAANG seems like a high confidence path to more money than employees probably ever wanted or expected. The reasons behind that are worth considering. We live in an economy that is increasingly consolidated, where massive capital sits with a few giants, where new innovators are easily copied by those giants, where network effects and shady practices discourage new competition.

If we had a more competitive economy, with functioning anti trust law, and protections for small innovators rather than giant conglomerates, I think talent might be distributed differently. But otherwise it is rational to look at the situation, realize nothing will be done, and to just work at FAANG and let the dollars roll in.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by lupire »

0x0nyandesu wrote: post #123
erehweb wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being willing to use your employer's product is a really low bar in compatibility.

There's no reason for it if I'm doing back end DevOps. I don't want to work on "the product".

Facebook uses Facebook for internal comms as an alternative to GMail/Office. Would you use that if you worked there?

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by skinkestek »

kwertyoowiyop wrote: post #81
varjag wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assume they genuinely struggle with recruiting. Getting cold recruiting mails from FB lately despite being on the wrong continent. They must be scraping the bottom.

They finally called me. So yep, bottom of the barrel.

I've been contacted by a FAANG (or is it MANGA?) company too recently, one of the traditionally better ones.

Earlier I'd fallen ober myself for that but I ended up not following through. I love my current. I'm hesitant to work in a place where I can get thrown under the bus for being a man. I'm not sure I want to contribute to the surveillance economy etc.

Maybe another day I'll answer yes, but...

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by maxpert »

ferdowsi wrote: post #106

As the negative perception of Facebook engineering picks up it'll be interesting to see where this heads. There's been precious little conversation about the stewardship model of React.JS, in which Facebook has an outsized role. I wouldn't be surprised if there was an effort to divest React from Facebook, given the potential reputational risk to the React project.

I think React is pretty soon gonna share same fate as jQuery. Svelte is slowly picking some steam, and with recent move of original author to Vercel I am more confident than ever that momentum is shifting. My friend directly got to work with Carmack, and him moving away directly from project should tell a lot about what the future of the hardware holds with FB.

Microsoft had to rewire itself in order to recover from Windows. Facebook (or Meta) needs same. Microsoft had to bring in a new leader, I think Zuck should step down, and bring somebody different before it's too late. I can imagine a fight for throne happening inside already.

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Post by fallingknife »

pm90 wrote: post #61
freewilly1040 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They’ve certainly faced an onslaught from the press, which has decided they are Philip Morris 2.0. It’s very unclear if that is going to translate into actual legal trouble. If I was at FB I’d be more concerned with how young people are rejecting it.

Facebook presents an existential threat to the business of most traditional news media and they have a platform that actively promotes misinformation. The Press is doing their job: finding out what goes on inside Facebook and reporting on it. As someone not really involved either way, the responses of Facebook to legitimate questions has been entirely unsatisfactory and justifies the negative coverage they’ve receive…

> Facebook presents an existential threat to the business of most traditional news media and they have a platform that actively promotes misinformation.

They (FB and the news media) do indeed.

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Post by qihqi »

Since no one mentioned so far: The LOD law suit made FB unable to get any approved green card app since last few months of Trump. This is the top reason why Indians & Chinese are not taking FB roles. It has been recently resolved. If hiring gets better for them I'd attribute it to green cards than the rename.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by thawSeh6s2p »

lordnacho wrote: post #32

I would guess people evaluate their job on money/work/stink axes. All of FAANG pays well, so what's left is whether the work is interesting/important/fulfilling and whether the company has integrity/evil issues. Eg you might think F1 has interesting problems despite glorifying fossil fuel cars, or you might think drones are technically challenging despite being used to kill people. Loads of people become nurses and t…

> Loads of people become nurses and teachers because they want to help people, even though they don't get paid much

I know it's not the primary point of the post, but define "much". An RN makes around 80k on average, they're also hourly and can generally pick up overtime whenever they want. Nurse anesthetists make double that at minimum, practitioners are north of 120k. It may not be as much as a FAANG position but I'd consider that decent pay, especially for such a stable position with decent WLB(omitting pandemic). Up until the past few years RN only required a 2 year degree.

Teachers don't make as much, but average pay in my lower cost of living area, just crossed 60k. That's not terrible, especially considering they only work 9/12 months and can get more for summer school or many of them find side jobs.

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Post by fallingknife »

throwawaysea wrote: post #139
cbozeman wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Facebook presents an existential threat to the business of most traditional news media and they have a platform that actively promotes misinformation. That's mainstream media's job... that's why they're pissed. Anyone remember Mika Bres-whatever saying on national television, "They're telling people what to think! That-that's our job!" I do. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quU_Tbv96Wk

I had never seen this clip before, thanks for sharing. Is there more context or a longer clip? I think I heard the woman say “that is your job” at the end but it wasn’t clear who that was directed at.

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> Facebook presents an existential threat to the business of most traditional news media and they have a platform that actively promotes misinformation.

That's mainstream media's job... that's why they're pissed. Anyone remember Mika Bres-whatever saying on national television, "They're telling people what to think! That-that's our job!"

I do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quU_Tbv96Wk

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