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Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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I dunno anything about these particular organizations so can't judge who is right here but the fact any country government can declare anybody they don't like a terrorist or another kind of criminal and have them cancelled or hunted in the whole world has long baffled me.

One major function of a government is the monopoly on "cancelling" or really the use of force.

The nice thing about western countries is that they require due process of law. ...which was followed in this case.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

#142
post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks. This is what I meant. I didn't make my point because, at least to me, this is clear and well known, so I dismiss anybody who says not to know it as disingeniuous.

I always wondered who nibbled off the foreskins of Americans... But seriously, I somehow expected such an answer and I believe it to be heavily misinformed. It is the old formula, Jews are somehow responsible for it all. Can you give an example for a policy or public influence that was made in favor of Jews? I find them often very disagreeable. 2 Jews in a room can net you 5 different opinions. That is just a stereot…

Does the public policy saying that in order to receive aid due to hurricane harvey you must vow not to boycott israeli products count?

https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/texas-city-tells-people-...

There are countless many examples like this.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

#143

To be fair, it is quite murky to what extent groups like Al-Haq are associated with the PFLP (which, with its history of aircraft hijackings and suicide bombings, is undoubtedly a terrorist group). There is plenty of purported evidence of financial and personnel links out there, and I really doubt HN is the right forum to decide either way (unless someone is an expert).

This is undoubtedly false. Speaking of "purported evidence" when there is literally no credible evidence submitted by the Israeli government for these allegations is misleading at best. Their whole case rests on the testimony of two Palestinian accountants, likely attained by torture, that worked for two organizations that were not included in the list of six [1]. They merely state it is "general knowledge" that thes…

This is fake news.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

#144
post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Al-Haq is a Palestinian human rights NGO funded by the European Union. Two weeks ago, Israel labeled six Palestinian NGOs, including al-Haq, terrorist organizations and has outlawed them. This was condemned by Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and others. The EU also funded the other Palestinian human rights NGOs which Israel outlawed. The US had an office in Jerusalem dealing with Palestinians that Trump clo…

I don't understand how people can think Israel mass bombed gaza. Israel has one of the largest militaries in the world. If they decided to mass bomb somewhere, it wouldn't be a place anymore. Its not the 1800s. A mass bombing is not something anyone walks away from in the modern world.

Gaza City has a higher density than NYC (34k per sq mi vs. 29k). Now imagine trying to run an anti-mafia campaign using only air power.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

#145

To be fair, it is quite murky to what extent groups like Al-Haq are associated with the PFLP (which, with its history of aircraft hijackings and suicide bombings, is undoubtedly a terrorist group). There is plenty of purported evidence of financial and personnel links out there, and I really doubt HN is the right forum to decide either way (unless someone is an expert).

Wait until you learn what was said about Mandela.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

#146
post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Israel, a country that terrorizes Palestinians on the daily accuses They don't. Sending a Police Riot control unit against a group of people throwing stones and molotovs does not qualify as being terrorized. > accuses everyone that fights it as terrorists. If they hurt bystanding civilians (and they do) or funnel money for it (and they do) there is nothing wrong with that. > Maybe some are They are, Hamas, Hezbolla…

Ever wondered why those people are protesting? If you only follow the history of the region you’d quickly realize that Israel did (and does) terrorize their neighbors who in turn retaliated and the vicious cycle of vendettas on eachother continues to this day. What is realy cool about Israel is that they’re a democratic country and a large part of their country denounces all this violence, there is a way forward towa…

1) Molotov != Protest

2)

> follow the history of the region

> terrorize their neighbors

Counter example:

2005: Israel unilateral dismantling of the 21 Israeli settlements in the Gaza Strip

2007: Hamas takeover of Gaza

2007: Gaza Blockade

I do not think we see the history of the region in the same way.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

#148
post #15

Slightly OT - Isn't it obvious that NSO must be able to control every "copy" of Pegasus it sells? They wouldn't sell it unless they were absolutely sure it wouldn't be used against its own people and they have no problem selling to their arch enemies. NSO's defense has always been "we just sell the tech and can't be held responsible for what our clients do with it" (this was clear from the Darknet Diaries episode). I…

> (this was clear from the Darknet Diaries episode) think that episode also mentioned it iirc ... that the plausible deniability goes out the window the minute they host their own infrastructure. also NSO Group goes through great length to obscure who they're selling to using shell and shelf companies. actually indistinguishable from how narco terrorists and organized crime operates: https://forensicnews.net/the-cove…

Jack was alluding at that but afaik he didn't mention anything about how they ensure it's not used against their own citizens?

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

#149

To be fair, it is quite murky to what extent groups like Al-Haq are associated with the PFLP (which, with its history of aircraft hijackings and suicide bombings, is undoubtedly a terrorist group). There is plenty of purported evidence of financial and personnel links out there, and I really doubt HN is the right forum to decide either way (unless someone is an expert).

Unless you count the oddly vague couple admissions extracted under torture from some random accountants as evidence of something, which you shouldn't because torture is not and shouldn't ever be considered a valid way to extract actionable information, being "fair" has nothing to do with what is being done here.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

#150
post #87
post #42

> Front Line Defenders investigated 75 iPhones and found that 6 devices were hacked with NSO Group's Pegasus spyware Hacked iPhones?! I bet they were side loading apps! /s (relevant: https://techcrunch.com/2021/11/03/apple-craig-federighi-side... )

I think "the fappening", xghost and NSO have already clearly demonstrated that mobile security is just PR.

Security has always been like this. If you’ve ever tried to hop a fence or bypass a system, you know that it’s heavily stacked against the defense.

Defense needs to patch every hole. Offense just needs to find one hole. That doesn’t mean that it isn’t worth trying to defend, it just means that you need to be realistic.

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